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Film on Fire: Debate Rages Over Lake of Fire
By Frederick Clarkson Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:30:42 PM EST printable version print story
Some interestingly conflicting, and conflicted reactions to Lake of Fire are starting to surface.  I have argued for more than a year that the the two and a half hour documentary on the politics of abortion had the potential to reshape the discussion about abortion.  One prominent person quoted in a recent major news story doesn't think so, but she  is "angered" and "insulted" by the film.  That's a pretty strong reaction for someone who doesn't think the film will make any difference.  

It is still not clear to me what kind of impact this film will have on the politics of abortion,particularly how it will affect public perception of the main proponents and opponents of reproductive freedom. Nevertheless, I think it is already functioning as a wild card in the public discussion.

topic: Reproductive Rights
Agence France Press recently described the film:  
"Lake of Fire," currently on limited release in the United States, unwinds over more than two and a half hours of interviews with some of the leading figures from the pro-life and pro-choice camps.

But it is the graphic and disturbing depiction of termination procedures, filmed like the rest of the movie in black and white, that marks the film out.

"From the moment I started making the film I thought I have to show an abortion, which at the time had never been done before," Kaye, best known for his 1998 neo-Nazi feature "American History X," told AFP in an interview....

One scene depicts a doctor sifting through a surgical tray after performing a late-term abortion, where the grisly residue of an arm, a foot and part of a face can be clearly made out...

They may be the kind of images used by anti-abortion activists, but Kaye also doesn't shy from showing pictures of a kneeling and bent-over naked woman who died after performing a botched abortion on herself with a wire coat hanger.

Kaye worked for more than 15 years on "Lake of Fire" -- anti-abortion activist John Burt's description of the hell awaiting abortionists -- and said his goal when he set out was simply to show both sides of the argument.

"The concept was to make a film about the debate over the issue of abortion but to make it a non-propagandist way and to create a kind of war of words."

The film has had antiabortion activists worried because of the film's detailed discussion of antiabortion terrorism, and interviews with convicted murderers Paul Hill and Michael Griffin. As I wrote earlier this year:

Kaye's film forces us to contend with the domestic terrorism that has marked the antiabortion movement for a generation.

ABCNews.com has a detailed story on reactions to the film.    

"I'm confused about the whole thing," [director Tony] Kaye told ABCNews.com. "If you gave me a piece of paper with a pro-life and a pro-choice box, without thought I'd pick the pro-choice box. I think a woman should be able to choose exactly what she does with her [body]. But I still think there's a person being killed, and that's not good."

Audience members' reactions were equally mixed. Many told ABCNEWS.com that they thought the film was a balanced look at the issue, while others insisted it was largely "anti-abortionist" and some even said it was "very liberal."

Wanda Franz of the National Right to Life Committee, who had not seen the film, had understandably bland and non-committal quotes in the ABC piece. Not so the prochoice voice:

"This was not a balanced portrayal of the issue," said Carol King, former National Organization for Women board member and abortion-rights activist, who has seen the documentary. "One of the things that has upset me more than anything else is the [comparison] of the anti-choice extremists to pro-choice activists. I have never encouraged in any way to kill people with whom I disagree."  ...

King added that she thought Kaye used graphic images for "superficial purposes" and "shock value." The number of activists on either side of the abortion debate has remained the same over more than 30 years, according to King, who said she didn't think this movie was going to change that.

The images, which King told ABCNEWS.com left her "angered" and "insulted," are commonly used by anti-abortion activists during protests.

From the prolife side, a New York magazine reviewer agrees that the symbolism of the dead fetus is powerful, he argues, unbeatable.  But, based on reading press reports, Tom Hoopes, executive editor of the National Catholic Register, (and who has not seen the film) says he smells a rat. His collumn at The National Review, is titled: "Lake of Bias:  No choice but pro-choice."

He quotes Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz:

"Everybody is right when it comes to the issue of abortion," he says in the film. "In the end human beings have to decide. In the end each of us has to decide using whatever resources we have available to us: religion, our mind, our sense of what is right and wrong in society."

In other words, the grand conclusion of this ground-breaking non-propagandist documentary is: Believe whatever you want to believe, but whatever you believe, you had better be "pro-choice."

That may be Dershowitz's view, but it is not (in my view) Tony Kaye's view.  

In anycase, we have so far seen people well-within both the prochoice and antichoice camps argue that the film slants their way or slants the other way.

It is the stuff of which great debates are made.

Personally, I think the signficance of the film lies elsewhere -- it is a work of art more than it is journalism. It is intended to stimulate people's thinking on this. I suspect that people's reactions are exactly what interests Kaye. I read that he was outside of one theater filming people's reactions recently.

There are undoubtedly many who do not want to discuss Lake of Fire at all. My argument is that the public discussion is going to happen anyway. It matters less which side benefits most in the film itself, and matters a lot more how each side develops considered and effective responses to the film and to public reaction -- whatever that turns out to be.




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Thanks for an interesting post.  Given that both sides seem to find things to object to in the movie, you are likely right that (a) this is one of the most balanced look at abortion in a long time and (b) most people would prefer not to discuss it at all because of that.

I've long believed that the only way to finally resolve the abortion issue will be some sort of compromise between the two extreme positions. (Not that I consider it possible anytime in the near future in the USA.)

To me, it seems obvious that a unborn child, a week or so from its birth date, should have absolute protection from termination unless, in some extreme and rare circumstance, the mother's life is in great peril.

But it also seems obvious to be that a one day old fetus should not have the same absolute protection.  First, many such fetuses are naturally terminated at or beyond that point, and second, they have not developed central nervous system and are not capable of thought or feeling pain or any other sensation.  And in some ways, as a society, given the almost universal acceptance of IVF treatments across the political spectrum, that line has already been irrevocably crossed.  (And that will be doubly confirmed if and when stem cell research produces its first life-saving treatment.)

Of course, once you accept both the above positions, you still have the messy debate over where you go in the pregnancy from legal termination to illegal termination.   That is still a major issue in countries like the UK where abortion is legal except for most late-term abortions, but if we could get to that point, it would at least mark a step forward.

However, given the entrenched positions of both sides, I doubt the USA will get there any time soon (i.e. with the next couple of decades).  One day perhaps technology may make abortion obsolete somehow.  Perhaps only then will the abortion debate be decided once and for all.

by tacitus on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:37:39 PM EST

Third trimester abortions are regulated such that they are available only for certain medical conditions, as determined by the physician(s). Women do not WANT to have late abortions - if they knew about anencephaly or about their own vulnerability due to pregnancy (eg, that hospitalized woman with heart failure awaiting a heart transplant), they would have the abortion as soon as possible.

The anti-legalized-abortion people like to spread various myths around. There are no gestational age week 39 6/7 abortions in normal pregnancies. Most of the genetic or developmental defect abortions (trisomies other than 21, anencephaly, Potter's syndrome, Tay-Sachs homozygote, etc) are done as soon as possible, generally now within the second trimester or at most a week or two into the third trimester. The most "normal" pregnancy having third term abortion is the very rare instance when someone succeeds in convincing a doctor to abort an 11 or 12 year old girl impregnated by her own father. Most of the time the girls either present a bit earlier or just never say a word and pretend they have no idea how they got pregnant, or that the guy down the street did it.

by NancyP on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 07:35:58 PM EST
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You are correct, and maybe I was clumsy in trying to frame the debate, but I have come across pro-choicers who see any restrictions on abortion as leading to the ultimate defeat of their cause.

We have let the anti-abortion lobby spin the facts so that I would bet that many people believe that unfettered late term abortion (for non-medical reasons) is a common occurrence.  It's certainly the only message that seems to be on the airwaves week in and week out.  Perhaps that is something that needs to be countered more effectively.

by tacitus on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 11:46:48 PM EST
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