CP: You have something new at next year's Truths that Transform America conference, called "Pastors, Pulpits, and Politics," which supports the right for pastors to speak on social issues from the pulpit. Is this part of the effort by conservative groups such as Family Research Council and Focus on the Family who had issued a letter to pastors telling them that they have the right to speak on these issues?

Fisher: The last two hours of that conference is a special session called `Pastors, Pulpits, and Politics.' We're doing something very unique. We're partnering with a few other ministries and we have American Vision and American Family Association. We're talking with two or three other major ministries and we're taking that last two hours and we're going to be featuring some of the nation's foremost authorities on what pastors' rights are in terms of their ability to speak out on political and cultural issues.

And in two hours we're going to educate America on those issues. We feel as many others do that the Church at large is disturbingly silent on core issues that they shouldn't be. Many times ... the pastors of the lay people don't know what their boundaries are legally. And so we're going to be very clearly outlining them. And we're going to be broadcasting the entire two-hour session live on the Internet. And it will be made available after that - both online and DVD format. Frankly, our goal and the goal of American Family Association and American Vision is that every pastor in America sees this material. We think it is a pivotal, crucial time in the history of our country. And [as it was] with so many other points in history, it is the Church that will be determining factor on which course America goes. It was actually Gary DeMar (the head of American Vision)'s idea. Gary approached us and said `Hey, what do you think?' We said, `My goodness, this is a must do.' We think it could be a historic day.

CP: So you do feel pastors should speak up on politics? Some polls have indicated that people don't really want preachers talking about politics from the pulpit. Is there any concern about people being turned off from the church by this?

Fisher: There's the risk but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Pastors have far more rights than they think they do. And I'm just saying about political candidates. We have to be careful to remember that the separation of the church and state does not appear in the U.S. constitution. Pastors, I think, have a moral and scriptural obligation to speak out about cultural issues facing the day. Why do more pastors not get involved with pro-life issues? It confounds me. The world has made it sound like it's a political issue. It is a moral issue. It's a cultural issue. It bleeds into politics because there is a legal aspect to it. I'm not necessarily saying about somebody endorsing a specific candidate. What I am saying is if we want to stop abortion, overturning Roe v. Wade is great, but overturning the hearts and minds of young women in crisis pregnancy situations is far more important. And that should be accomplished by the Church as led by the pastors. I would say it's my view that pastors in America do have a biblical obligation to speak up and out loudly, lovingly about the issues facing America morally and culturally, and by and large, my perception is they're not doing that. That is completely inconsistent with the many pastors who founded our country, who spoke out about these issues all the time.

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