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The Politics of Boston Archbishops
By mick arran Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 01:05:15 PM EST printable version print story
This began as a comment to Fred Clarkson's post on Boston Archbishop O'Malley's attack on the Democratic Party but got so long that I decided to write a whole post.

Mr Clarkson seems somewhat bemused by the Archbishop's assumption that he has the right to dictate what all the Catholics in the state should think and how they should vote, but actually it has been that way for a long, looong time.

He also sounds a tad...skeptical about the claim that the Diocese is broke despite the millions it has paid out recently. He's right to be skeptical. There's more to the story. Let's start there.

the massive payouts the church has made to settle lawsuits related to the priest pedophilia scandal.

Yes...and no.

I live in Mass and the fact is that the pedophilia scandals have had a devastating effect on the Church's finances from both ends. Yes, they've paid out a lot but what's really hurting them is that they're not taking much in, either. Ever since the scandals broke (and that's years ago now), donations, contributions, and Sunday collections have been shrinking. There are a lot of churches barely alive financially, and rumors are spreading that if the situation doesn't turn around soon, there will be a LOT of churches being closed. Obviously that impacts the funding of the CCB. It frankly doesn't surprise me that even an inexpensive bulk mailing is now beyond their resources.

Nor does it surprise me particularly that O'Malley would ignore this looming crisis so he can concentrate on the dogmatic anti-abortion fight ordered by Benedict. It doesn't even surprise me that he would cross the line and potentially endanger the Church's tax-exempt status by attacking one political party and at least implicitly endorsing another. The Church hierarchy has been, as you note, virulently conservative for decades.

It is interesting too, to see the Cardinal attack the Democratic Party as a whole, as if it had a lot of say, or should have a lot of say over who the membership picks as its candidates, and who the voters ultimately choose as its representatives.

Nothing new about this, either. Boston's Archbishops have historically been very heavy political players. Usually they've kept their influence in back rooms, out of public view, but every once in a while they forget and say something out in the open, like O'Malley just did. It's been a continuing problem for a long time.

However, since the scandals things have changed dramatically. Boston in particular but Mass as a whole has always had a large and politically active contingent of Catholics. Up until the 60's, they were so ruled by the Church that they were considered a block vote. As the Bishops and clergy said on Sunday, so would the laity vote on Tuesday.

But Viet Nam and abortion rights fractured that block into two distinct pieces: conservative pro-war, anti-abortion die-hards and liberal anti-war, pro-choice activists. Once that split happened, other cracks began to show. The hierarchy, represented by the Archbishops, has consistently been far more conservative than most of the laity. Bishops were a bit less monolithic as a class (there have even been eras when they were more or less evenly divided) but on balance have been somewhere between congregants and Archbishops.

As the gulf between them widened, feminists began criticizing - quite rightly - the Church's rigid anti-female dogma: the "Woman as vessels of sin" stuff; civil libertarians criticized its autocratic disdain for dissent and its support for anti-democratic suppression tactics; historians criticized its ties to authoritarian regimes, including Hitler's; and so on. By the 70's, the notion that all Massachusetts Catholics voted in a block was shattered.

In response to all this revolt, increasingly conservative priests and Bishops took stands that were more hard-line than their predecessors. At one point in the 80's there was talk that all abortion supporters were going to be excommunicated. That didn't happen but the threat has been in the air ever since.

The harder the Diocese tried to crack down, the more people left the Church altogether. This weakened the Archbishops' political clout considerably, though that didn't stop any of them from using what was left of their muscle to pressure politicians who had heavily Catholic constituencies. Bernie Law was a frequent guest of powerful state figures like Billy Bulger, who is Catholic, and Mike Dukakis, who is not. By all accounts, he liked playing politics, and he was good at it.

Since most of the people who left tended to be liberal and those who stayed more conservative, the hierarchy moved even further to the right. By the time the pedophilia scandals broke in the 90's and Law was under fire for the way he mishandled the problem by shoving it under the rug time and again, even the conservatives had stopped supporting the Church financially, at least to the extent they had been. The liberals who remained were appalled and collections went into freefall.

They've been low ever since. Though they recovered somewhat when the worst of the disclosures were over and the lawsuits settled (there was a sense that the Church was making amends), they're still pretty meager. A lot of people have never gotten over the revelations of the way Law and the Church consistently protected pedophile priests, sometimes for many years, at the expense of the victims, and what galls folks the most is that the Church in general and Law in particular have never apologized. There's also a sneaking suspicion on the part of many that for all its embarrassment and guilt, it hasn't really changed the way it deals with the problem. They're half-expecting a new round of accusations to pop up any day now, revealing that the Church is still hiding and protecting pervert priests.

All of this has made the once-powerful Archdiocese of Boston a shadow of its former self, but you aren't going to get that impression from O'Malley. The way he dramatically overplayed his hand with respect to the Democrats is only the latest in a string of hard-line, right-wing pronouncements which arrogantly assume that, in effect, nothing has changed and everything is as it has always been.

Denial, after all, is the modus operandi of the Catholic Church. It's the tactic they used - are still using - to deflect responsibility for the scandals. It's the tactic they employed when dealing with the pedophile priests. It's the tactic they used with the Vatican banking scandal. It's the tactic they used when Galileo agreed with Copernicus that the sun did not in fact travel around the earth.

"If we don't acknowledge it, it isn't true."

It is how they've resisted change for centuries. O'Malley is living proof of how it works. It will be another hundred years before any Boston Archbishop finally admits that the Diocese isn't as strong as it used to be, and that will be 20 years after the Diocese has ceased to exist altogether.




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Just for the record, I am not bemused by anything. There is only so much one can do in a short blog post with a couple of simple points.

That said, the Church's political power has certainly been receding for many years, its authoritarian past not withstanding, for the reasons you describe so well. What is also changing is how people respond to this. I for one, think people should challenge religious leaders when they step over the line, as Cardinal O'Malley most certainly has done here. My purpose in this post was to lay out a couple of reasons why.

I also live in Massachusetts, and I am well aware of how many people, even elderly women whose whole lives once revolved around the church, refuse to set foot in one, let alone contribute. The disappoinment, disgust, and bitterness is widespread.

In my area, Bishop Dupre of Springfield was exposed by the Springfield Republican newspaper, as having abused teenage boys -- then he disappeared, and the Church won't say where he is.

The old days are, as you say, long over. I think our political culture is still adjusting.

by Frederick Clarkson on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 02:57:27 PM EST

Sorry if I mischaracterized your tone. Possibly it struck me that way because I'm kind of used to it. I got it a lot from people who lived out-of-state, that "What the hell's going on up there?" with a crooked smile and genuine puzzlement.

I don't think I knew you live in Mass, too. Springfield, huh? I'm about 45 mins north of you, east of Greenfield (for those just joining us, Massachusetts is very big on "-field" towns; we have a lot of 'em). IAC, I apologize for assuming you were unaware of the extent of the damage.

I think I could say the same of the Church. I got the distinct impression during the height of the furor that Church officials believed this was all going to die down, people would eventually come back to the Church, and all would be normal. I tried to tell a Worcester priest of my acquaintance, who was explaining to me that the Bishop had assured him it would all blow over in a couple of years, that they were both underestimating the strength of "the disappoinment, disgust, and bitterness" of the laity, and that it would more likely be a couple of decades than a couple of years.

I don't think he bought it but here we are, almost a decade gone, and it seems to me people are, in some cases, even angrier now than they were then, primarily because of the way Church officials have responded (see khughes1963's comment for some of the ugly details). This is clearly not going away anytime soon, and if the Church persists in acting like a victim, it may never go away.

Witness this notice on the front page of the Worcester Diocese's website:

If you or someone you know has been sexually abused by a priest, religious or lay person working for the Church, and you need a place to talk with someone about your feelings of betrayal or hurt by the Church, contact Frances Nugent, Victim Services Coordinator, Office for Healing and Prevention, 508-929-4363 (direct line). A 24-hour-a-day confidential voicemail is available.

Even when they're trying to be sensitive, they're less concerned about reporting the abuse than short-circuiting any anger you might aim at them.

- mick -


by mick arran on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 08:04:22 PM EST
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Mick-this is excellent. I fear the hierarchy's backpedaling on matters political and theological (I have in mind here the full scale attempt to retreat from Vatican II) is an example of an attempt to close the barn door after the horses have escaped. There are many lay Catholics such as myself who are disgusted with the hierarchy, but who remain Catholic and want to change the Church, as self-defeating as it may sound. The hierarchy, Bill Donohue and Father Richard Neuhaus may want to return to the days of "pray, pay, and obey," but a lot of us are not having it. I found it interesting that the hierarchy blames the attorneys and the victims for suing over sexual abuse, when the biggest culprits are themselves. Some bishops have this year (I have in mind here William "Mansion" Murphy of Rockville Centre, NY and Auxiliary Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki of Chicago) used their pulpits to campaign against lifting statutes of limitation for sexual abuse and litigation involving sexual abuse.) The hierarchy as a group exhibits all the obtuseness of the restored Bourbons, of whom it was said that "they forgot nothing and learned nothing." I think the same thing can be said of today's hierarchy.

by khughes1963 on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 05:06:13 PM EST
I think you're exactly right, both about the extraordinarily vicious backlash to Vatican II and about "a lot of us are not having it".

To the latter, I don't know but I suspect that you'd find the same profile I outlined for Mass in every part of the country where this has happened: the Church stonewalling and Catholics walking away, taking their money with them. Your comparison with the Bourbons is only too sadly apt, and I'm afraid the Church in America is headed down the same path. If Church finances have been hit half as hard elsewhere as they have here, the end may already be in sight.

To the former, at least in the US I would agree that it's way too late to be trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube, but what choice do they have? The reactionaries are in charge again and in deeper denial than ever. They've closed off all options except blind obedience to Church authority. They're beating people about the head and shoulders with a whacking great club and then acting surprised when their flock flees.

I guess I admire your willingness to stick it out and try to affect change, but I can't help but think your mission is a mite...quixotic. Good luck with it, anyway. Personally, I haven't got either the stomach or the energy for it. I left the Church a very long time ago, as soon as I realized that the ultraconservatives were going to destroy the hope of Vatican II. I will never go back.

- mick -


by mick arran on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 08:26:15 PM EST
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