Discussing Republican Gomorrah
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Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 02:21:44 PM EST
Over at TPM Cafe, the discussion of Max Blumenthal's book Republican Gomorrah continues. Here is my contribution to the discussion so far.

I want to pick up on the point Sarah Posner raised about salvation narratives. They are indeed key to understanding the dynamics of this particular subculture. David Wilkerson in many ways invented the genre -- with his 1963 book The Cross and the Switchblade, about how his ministry transformed street gang members (Pat Boone played Wilkerson in the movie). I recall a similar story of redemption told by a politically oriented ally of Pat Robertson, the late Rev. John Giminez whom I encountered in the 80s who told of being a gang member and a heroin addict. A key part of the narrative is 'look how low I sank, and look how high God has lifted me!' It is always a story of hope and the possibility of transformation and a better life. We are all flawed, even depraved creatures -- but if God can do this for me, consider what He can do for you! But what can seem like an apolitical idea takes on a whole new dimension under the influence of dominion oriented theologies that have come to lead the charismatic and Pentecostal wing of evangelicalism since Wilkerson.

Now, project the salvation narrative onto a society seen as wracked by tremendous problems, infused with evil and depravity, and fallen away from God's laws -- and therefore consdier what it could mean if only we had a Godly government. Add psychological and political authoritarianism to the mix, informed by some variant of dominion theology, and we have a theocratic political movement which promises ongoing challenges to constitutional democracy. Max connects the dots of how this works in Republican Gomorrah, and helps us to understand how exploitation of personal crises serves to propel this dynamic social and political movement.

But many of us nevertheless find it hard to understand how these folks, seemingly a world apart, many living with such flagrant hypocrisies can survive as a credible religious and political movement. One aspect of this is that there is a profound resilience; and contrary to stereotype, most members of these communities are not mindless sheep unquestioningly following authoritarian leaders. People have more common sense than many of us might like to think. For example, in the 90s's "Coach" Bill McCartney, founder of the Promise Keepers evangelical men's movement based his organization on profound martial fidelity and Christian family values. But when he was exposed (among other issues Max details in his book) as having some sexual secrets of his own, and treated his wife with such astounding callousness that she contemplated suicide, participation in Promise Keepers and its annual budget massively dropped off at the peak of its influence. And the televangelist scandals of the 80s were similarly disastrous for Jimmy Swaggart and Jim and Tammy Bakker (among others) but that did not prevent Pat Robertson emerging as as a major national figure following his run for the GOP nomination for president in 1988 -- and building the soon to be mighty Christian Coalition from the campaign list. People don't like to be fooled by hypocrites and charlatans. But they also do not give up on their values, their community and their own sense of integrity, just because of the failures of a Bill McCartney. Like everyone else, they see themselves as doing the best they can, even in -- no especially in the face of disappointment.

I mention these things because as much as we are often captured by the intensity of the political moment, movements ebb and flow across larger blocs of time. And the Religious Right, one of the most significant social and political movements in American history, is in a state of transition as the founding generation passes from the scene. Pat Robertson, James Dobson and Don Wildmon are in various stages of retirement. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy are dead. But the institutions and organizations that they have built live on, albeit changed. And their legacies continue. The newly elected governor of Virginia Bob McDonnell is a graduate not of Harvard, Yale or the University of Virginia -- but of Pat Robertson's Regent University. In many ways he epitomizes the success and future of the movement. Similarly, it would have been just about unthinkable not so long ago, for characters like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee to be taken seriously in national discourse.

But here we are.




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Hey, Fred, good post but to say salvation narratives goes back to David Wilkerson is incorrect. It probably goes back at least to Saint Augustine, or more likely to Saint Paul, who in Act of the Apostles regularly details his 'salvation narrative' to numerous audiences.

by DanielBatt on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 07:51:56 PM EST
I did not say salvation narratives started with Wilkerson. I said this particular contemporary genre was essentially invented by Wilkerson. Big difference.

by Frederick Clarkson on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 08:00:19 PM EST
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Okay, Fred, but what is "this particular contemporary genre"? No need to be defensive, I'm just curious what you are actually referring to. If there is a "big difference", what is in fact the difference?

by DanielBatt on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 09:25:28 PM EST
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I don't believe we've met. And since you are new to this site, can you tell me whether you agree with the purposes of this site? Or did you sign up for another reason?

by Frederick Clarkson on Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 02:37:07 AM EST
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Hi, Fred, no, we have not met. I live in Melbourne, Australia. If you are ever in town, please be my guest for a dinner and a few (or more, why not?) drinks. My shout!

I am not sure what the defensiveness is for. I ask a simple question of clarification, and already you want to play the man, not the ball (that's an Australianism, but I am sure you get the drift).

I visit this site, and will post a comment once in a while, because I have a long interest in the religious right in America. I have in the past researched for clients here on the relationship between the US right and Australian religious groups on a number of issues, including the role of The Family and related theocrats trying to fund and meddle in Australian political life.

My most current interest is in the religious heterosexist agenda to limit the rights of GLBT people in the US and globally, such as in Uganda. that's what I am writing on at this time.

So if you don't want to waste your time talking to a stooge of the Family Research Council under disguise, well, fair enough, I suppose. Why you would jump to that or a related conclusion/suspicion so quickly is my own concern.

So . . . don't answer my questions if you don't want to. But don't diss me and try to slur me in the absence of such a reply. Is that fair? My apologies if it is not.

by DanielBatt on Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 08:24:38 PM EST

And to find that person, look in the mirror.   You have not been dissed or slurred.

That said, this site is a magnet for trolls, so if you don't want to be thought you might be a troll, don't act like one -- and BTW -- you did not answer my question, although your interests sound interesting.

by Frederick Clarkson on Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 09:04:03 PM EST
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Oh, Fred, please . . .

And still you don't answer my question.

And how, pray tell me, is asking one simple question being like a troll? Really!

Why did I sign up for this site? I told you. Do I agree with the purpose of this site. Yes, obviously, from what I said. Are there any other hoops you think I should jump through before you want to treat my request with a modicum of respect?

I am similarly frustrated with those religious bigots who will not answer a question from a 'liberal' or someone with a 'gay agenda', even if I probably am both.

I really can't see the point in not having a discussion with someone until you are sure they share all of your beliefs.

by DanielBatt on Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38:25 AM EST

it was not to engage the religious right and its sympathizers. Rather, it was a place for those who are concerned about the RR from a variety of perspectives to publish and think out loud together. There is plenty of room for disagreement, and for learning, within those parameters, as any regular reader of this site knows very well.  Time and circumstances permitting, I have been involved in a fair amount of both over the years.

As for your question:  Since you did not bother to read the context of my post -- which was responding to a post by Sarah Posner as part of a larger discussion of Republican Gomorrah over at TPM Cafe; and then presumed to lecture me about the history of salvation narratives, your curiosity is certainly limited. So yes, I choose not to engage your question. Respect is earned, Dan.

by Frederick Clarkson on Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 02:15:06 AM EST
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