USAFA Classmate Threatens Imprecatory Prayer if Mikey Weinstein Attends Class Reunion
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 01:26:55 PM EST
Next week, Mikey Weinstein, the founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), will be attending the 35th reunion of his class at the Air Force Academy. Apparently, some of his "Spirit-filled born again Christian" classmates have a problem with this, threatening imprecatory prayers to put the Psalm 109 whammy on him if he shows up.

Here's the email Mikey got from one of his "Spirit-filled born again Christian" classmates the other day. (I've inserted asterisks with explanations below for a few things this guy refers to in his "Spirit-filled" email.)

From: 6m6l6w@chrsin4gvn.com
Subject: Fear Christ-Michael Weinstein
Date: October 14, 2012 7:38:44 PM MDT
To: -------@militaryreligiousfreedom.org

Good evening Michael Weinstein. I am a classmate of yours from the USAF Academy Class of 1977. I have written to you before. I am a Spirit-filled born again Christian. My wife is a spirit-filled born again Christian and my children are as well. I came to the Lord during my years as a cadet at the Academy. A number of your classmates have asked me to convey a simple message to you. It is a two part message. First, we ask you to reconsider coming to our 35th reunion next week. Yes, we found out you are coming. And second we ask you to believe in and fear the Power of Prayer if you refuse to reconsider.

I didn't know you well at the Academy but well enough to see the darkness of spirit within you. You hate the followers of the Lord. You elevate Christ's enemies over our Savior. Gays and Muslims and atheists are the object of your love. I even recall your love of the perverted Muslims back then. You dressed up as a cadet as a Muslim. You wore the attire of Yasser Arafat and gave a fiery speech as this same terrorist.* Supporting his terror against those who follow Jesus. Don't try to deny this Michael Weinstein. You thought we would forget that? I watched that speech in the lectinar in Fairchild Hall. I and others remember feeling your powerful spirit of evil that very day. You have only gotten stronger in your walk with satan as the years have past. Haven't you.

A number of your classmates, myself included, have had enough of you. We thought you weren't coming to any more reunions. But then we watched your website and saw you're giving another one of your Christian hate speeches at UCCS the first night of the reunion.** So you'll be in town? Clever of you to make sure your name doesn't appear on the AOG registry for the reunion. Our friends of friends there have confirmed that you intend to be there anyway.

Your darkness and evil is unwanted. You shame our class and our alma mater. You shame the Christian heritage of America, You have the hell-spirit of the devil within you and I have seen and felt it. Eye witness, personally. You use your evil powers to pull the wool over the eyes of the innocents. Just as scripture warned and foretold (2 Corinthians 11:14-15, John 8:44, James 4:7).

No longer Michael Weinstein. Your time has past. You are helpless to the Power of Prayer (Matthew 21:22, Mark 11:24, Mark 9:29).

On behalf of our classmates, I ask and beg you to publicly announce that you are withdrawing from the speech at UCCS. And that you and your wife Bonny will not be attending our Class of 1977 Academy reunion. We will give you until this Wednesday night to do this. If you refuse to do it then we will pray the Psalm 109. We will pray at home and at church. Our families will pray it together. We will pray to the Lord to stop your poison. We will pray the Psalm against you and your wife and all those who give you sanctuary and protection in Colorado Springs.

Let me be clear. None of us will harm you or your wife. That would be illegal and wrong. It is not our place to mete out the justice and punishment you and your followers deserve and have earned. We won't have to. The Lord will. It is our God-given right to pray for His intervention and protection from your evil. Even under the Constitution you worship as an idol in place of the Son of God.

Reconsider and know the Power of Prayer. Fear the Power of Christ, Michael Weinstein (1 Peter 1: 17-21).


*For a persuasive speech assignment in a political science class at the Academy, Mikey played the role of an Arab diplomat. At the time, Yasser Arafat was demanding a right to address the U.N. General Assembly. Mikey's speech, delivered in the costume of an Arab diplomat, was an argument against allowing Arafat to address the U.N. Not only did Mikey get an A+ on the assignment, but his professor had him present his speech again before another group of students.

**While in Colorado Springs for his class reunion, Mikey will be speaking at an event hosted by the Secular Student Alliance at the University of Colorado.




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Obviously this guy is trying to use shaming techniques on Mikey. Equally obvious, he has no idea that the vast majority of people Mikey defends ARE Christians, many even Evangelists who are getting harassed and beaten up at the AFA. This guy sounds very unbalanced to me. This is a disturbing letter.

by wolvenwood on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 05:10:30 PM EST
they will pray Psalm 109. And if they pray Psalm 109, I'll pick my nose. That should blow them away.

by Rey Mohammed on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:55:03 PM EST
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the "fruits of the spirit" - i.e. what follows becoming a "spirit-filled" Christian are...

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Galatians 5:22-23, New International Version (NIV)

Maybe some of these "spirit-filled Christians" who are using Psalm 109 need to check which spirit is filling THEM, before they attack Weinstein.

by phatkhat on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:15:09 PM EST

Mr. 6m6l6w@chrsin4gvn.com (christ sin forgiven.com?) makes the imprecitory prayer threat against Mikey (again). Evidently he hasn't considered that the amount of such prayer activity already conducted against Mikey subsequent to Chaplain Klingenschmidtt's publication of it means that, had it any validity at all, Mikey and half of Santa Fe would have long ago vanished in a plume of sulfurous smoke? He likely figures that, because he's obviously 'more christian' than that heathen Klingenschmidtt, his imprecatory prayer will be more effective. Duh? Don't they know, that to be really effective you've got to have rattles, feathers, drums, and a chicken? But I guess that, as long as they remain engaged in their delusions of empowerment through prayer, they'll stay in their caves. It's once they believe that their 'god' has answered their prayer and has directed them to follow in the footsteps of Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, James Kopp, and Ralph Lang that their true threat is made clear.

by Marshalldoc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 07:23:00 PM EST

Chris, I am writing a document on Dominionism which features the threats made against Mr. Weinstein.

I would like permission to use your footnote with attribution.

The document is posted on Scribd under, "Theocracy rising: Dominionists"

by Villabolo on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 09:44:09 PM EST

I am a bit concerned that Mr. Weinstein may encounter someone who will try to bring reality to their prayers.

Of course, it would be a "lone wolf" as always...


by ArchaeoBob on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55:40 AM EST

I'd call it (attempted) murder by proxy.

by Villabolo on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 04:54:26 PM EST
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Whoever this is is full of something, but it aint spirit.

But on a more serious note, there seems a rather odd disconnect, as the writer(for want of a better term) seems not to grasp that imprecatory prayer is attempting, through very esoteric and at this point silly means, to harm someone. Also why would a Jewish guy be empowered by walking with Satan? Ow, sweet Emperor, I have given myself a headache just trying to logic this stuff out.

by Hirador on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:24:49 PM EST


Most likely, the guy threatening Mike W. is violating the TOS of the internet service provider, if said ISP is commercial and concerned with its liability if guy actually does something. Somehow, his last paragraph does not entirely convince. Normal people don't make threats.

by NancyP on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:47:41 PM EST

I don't usually comment on this site, although I follow it fairly closely, primarily because virtually all of my family members are Bible-Believing Christians who hold a lot of very bizarre views.

I am, in fact, a Pagan of the Wiccan variety and have been since I was in my early teens (meaning for 40 years now, since I am in my mid-50s). My family doesn't know this -- they are sufficiently crazy that I would fear for my life, literally, if they knew.

What I find amazing in the articles about the NAR (I have family members involved in this movement) and now this one, is the willingness of some of these folks to engage in what amounts to some very negative ceremonial magickal practices.  As a Wiccan, I would never engage in the negative, essentially "Black Magick" practices these folks practice.  It would definitely violate the "three-fold law" that many Pagans hold with -- that whatever one does comes back to one with three-fold strength -- in addition to a general prohibition against working magick to influence others (either in the form of curses or love spells, which interfere with free will).

Anyway, I find it laughable that many of these folks, who are terrified of "witches" and Indian relics and anything not sanctioned by their narrow, warped religious interpretations appear to be increasingly willing to engage in practices that ethical Wiccan magickal practitioners would never consider doing.  FYI -- Many Wiccans who have practiced the religion for any length of time don't practice magick beyond simple protection and cleansing spells because they don't wish to take on the responsibilities that it can bring.  

There are people who have, for lack of a better word, "power" to influence events on some level.  I have been studying the heritability of "religiousity" and "second-sight" abilities and it appears that, in many cases, it runs in families.  I know that a review of the last 200 years of my family's history shows many seriously religious folks -- as well as stories about family members who were considered "witches" or were otherwise involved in odd spiritual beliefs.  I am assuming that some of these folks, whether they fell into the practice of "witchcraft" or folk magick (I had a grandmother who could kill flies by hissing, "I hate you" at them -- an ability that several other ancestors apparently had and that my NAR-affiliated niece can also do) or into some Christian sect may all have the same types of powers and "wiring" for spiritual experiences.  

Thus, I find myself wondering if, among NAR and some of these other increasingly "magick oriented" Christians, someone with the power to actually do harm via magick eventually emerges.  Not that they are going to turn their enemies into toads, but magick CAN do some funking and scary things to people.  Personally, I find it worrisome that NAR and others appear so willing to engage in it in its most negative forms.

Just a thought.  Hopefully no one on this site thinks I'm a raving looney.  I would love to hear if anyone else has thoughts along the lines (or if I should just return to reading the site and not making odd comments).

by coralsea on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:27:54 PM EST

Coralsea, I can follow your reasoning because I have a good friend who is initiated into the Reclaiming tradition, and I've attended wiccan gatherings myself. You raise some intriguing questions which I will have to think about before I give any detailed response. But I want to let you know that there is at least one reader on this site who does not at all think you are a "raving looney." Using one's spiritual power to wish or cause harm to another has to unleash substantial negative energy, no matter what tradition one follows.

by MLouise on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:58:51 AM EST
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... and the three-fold law that coralsea mentioned isn't a law like "thou shalt do ..."; it's more like the law of universal gravitation. What you send will return on you, thricefold -- in this life, or the next. It may not be in the same form -- but you won't be asked, first. Or, in other words, what goes around, comes around, with interest.

You don't have to believe in the law. It just is.



by Khalila RedBird on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 02:50:22 AM EST
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Thanks for the support -- and I find it interesting that there are other Pagans and the like who regularly read this site and are also aware of the negative magick some of these "Christians" seem so willing to practice.

Negativity is negativity -- no matter who is engaging in it.  It just so happens that Pagans, Wiccans, etc. who have traditions of Magick appear to be much more mindful of the rules of engagement--and be reluctant to engage in it--than the current crop of Christian practitioners.  Honestly, that is just as ironic as hell in my book!

by coralsea on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:59:34 AM EST
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These people are playing with things they don't understand, things their own religion has called heresy and blasphemy and told them not to toy with, and they are doing it ith all the alacrity of someone dumping ammonia into clorox and thinking they'll get things twice as clean. Like Archeobob, I've found brick chips and Wesson oil in my driveway, and a couple of months later, syntheshit (a mix of bran and water) on the road in front of my drive. I'm pretty sure whodunnit, and she shouldn't be toying with this stuff. But yeah, it happens. And I sympathize with you about your family.

Sincerely,

Your friend from Hatewatch,

Rey

by Rey Mohammed on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 10:05:17 AM EST
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I was raised in a secular home, not to be superstitious, but I agree with Rey Mohammed completely. Jesus' "suggestions" with regards to our worst enemies were the exact opposite of what this individual intends to do most enthusiastically against Mikey, who I understand may be a very oppositional individual when faced with injustice (like Jesus?) and very, very annoying to those who were committing serious religious bigotry at the Academy. Intense annoyance is never a cause for a Christian to retaliate; though one might be forced to act in some circumstances to protect her family or helpless others. A Christian who is concerned that Mikey is an enemy should be praying for his welfare. I have friends who experience things I don't, and thanks to coralsea too, for her post.

by arachne646 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 12:08:39 PM EST
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Arachne -- I agree with you -- and I can't really imagine anyone of faith -- whatever that faith might be -- believing that bringing harm to another, especially by "covert, mystical" means is possibly warranted.  There are some freaks who get drawn to Paganism because they want "power."  Fortunately, they tend to leave rather quickly.  But one can find mental illness, meglamania, and paranoia in many, many settings, although when they occur within religious settings, it's doubly disturbing.  Also -- these guys, who are involved in our nation's military, are so unhinged as to hold these beliefs or being willing to take such actions?  Now that, is also very, very disturbing.

All good things to you and your Christ.

by coralsea on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 03:53:01 PM EST
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Rey -- as in the foxes?

by coralsea on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 11:35:09 AM EST
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Indeed.

by Rey Mohammed on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 02:17:48 PM EST
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Cool.  Anyone else cross over that you know of?

by coralsea on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 02:53:03 PM EST
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To my knowledge, no one regular, but people have used different screen names.

by Rey Mohammed on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 03:40:22 PM EST
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Friend coralsea, I too am a Witch, a crone who is out of the broomcloset, and I've been keeping in touch with this site out of much the same viewpoint you express. I see in the NAR some very intense and intentional attempts at active harm through baneful magic. Perhaps they think that the blood of Jesus will protect them from the karmic rebound. Personally, I don't think even now that they are escaping.

But I worry, nonetheless. The hate being spewed goes somewhere, and it goes with power. It encourages and gives permission to others to hate -- when hate is the last thing this world needs in greater supply.

The only spell that I trust to counter their work is to send light, in abundance, to shine upon their intentions, actions, and consequences -- and perhaps to help them see themselves and read their own gospels as first given, rather than as preached in hate and fear. As always, we'd best be sure we don't mind being seen in that light ourselves.

Thank you for writing, coralsea, and I hope that someday you will be free enough to let the world see the Spirit shining in you and walking with you. In the meantime, may all the gods keep you safe.

Blessed Be

RedBird



by Khalila RedBird on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 02:41:16 AM EST
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I could get you connected with a couple of wiccans (and others) I know.  They insist that unless I accept the curses and so on, they will have no power over me (same thing from the damned "Good Christians" I used to hang around with).  They've also come out with some other things that echoed what I got from the Assemblies and others... and it's troubling.

We used to have a long history of problems with vehicles... engines blowing, or other weird breakdowns that were always not fixable or costing more than the car was worth.  One evening I caught a guy sneaking onto my property with oil-covered hands.  He claimed he was going to put tracts on my car (he was a "Good Christian" out to try to convert us), and I ran him off the property and told him that he and his kind were never to return - didn't let him get near the cars and threatened him with arrest or being shot if he did or if he or his came back.  Since then things have changed with the vehicles - still problems, but not like the past (knock on wood).  They seem to last like they should (exception being the air conditioning - in Florida).

We figured out that that had been going on for years... because I do my own mechanic work (can't afford to take it somewhere), I thought the oily hand-prints were my own doing, although I was usually careful to either not leave them or to immediately clean them off.  We USED to find said handprints on the cars on a regular (and frequent) basis, until I caught the jackass that day.

We've been aware for many years that the Assemblies of God was trying to get me to return.  We've been aware of their trying to hex us, to pressure us, they've even used coercion and tricks.  We've caught them trying to make reality from their malicious negativity... they tried to break up our marriage and also we found out they'd been blocking me from getting employment (while preaching that if I submitted myself sufficiently to God, God would give me a good job).  We've had some really strange, not-good experiences connected with those b*st*rds, and any time I write something or do something that goes against their ideology, they retaliate.  I've told of the retaliation in other threads.  We do have testimony from others that I've been preached against by name in the local megachurches, especially just before they torched my electronics workshop.

Yet people say that unless I allow it, they have no power over me.  What bull####.  The same old blame game... different players, same game plan.

by ArchaeoBob on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:01:21 AM EST
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have no power over you. Physical acts of violence, defamation, and sabotage, however, are another matter, and a publicly-posted "curse" can be a screen for direct murder. I do hope Mr. Weinstein is being quite careful.

by Rey Mohammed on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:09:02 AM EST
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ArcheoBob -- I feel a bit weird in discussing this, because I find the superstitiousness of the NAR people and some other Evangelicals sooo utterly ridiculous (e.g., destroying cultural artifacts, "spiritual mapping") (same goes from some of the New Age types who believe that any misfortune that befalls you is because you "wanted it" and other associated rot like that), however, I do believe that some people have power to harm or benefit others that is outside the realm of current science to explain.  And as I said, I have reached the conclusion that the people who have a gene, or genetic predisposition for religiousity (however it gets expressed in their individual lives) may have at least some of this power.  

I do know Pagan/Wiccan-type practitioners who honestly do appear to have abilities to "make things happen" or tap in to sources of knowledge or power that we would consider outside the realm of normal science.   What is interesting is that most of them reach a point at which they are extremely reticent about engaging in Magick because they don't want the responsibility of creating thought forms or otherwise setting in motion...whatever it is they are capable of setting in motion (I don't even really know how to describe this stuff without resorting to words that sound like bad New Age crap, Harry Potter, or totally whacky superstition, however, I believe that you--and other readers of this site--understand what I am saying).

I personally am a "soft psychic," meaning that I often "know" things in an intuitive way, but these tend to be impressions that simply help me understand where to look (I am an environmental consultant who tracks down sources of contamination).  In addition, I have, in the past before I really understood what I was doing, worked minor Magick that influenced events in my favor.  But once I learned more about Magick, I backed off ever doing that, which makes me like the Wiccans I described in the previous paragraph -- we become very reticent to use our powers for personal gain or to influence others because we've been able to see that such actions can have consequences.

So, except for a few unbalanced individuals and people who are new to Paganism (e.g., teenagers, young adults), most of us back off performing Magickal workings to influence or harm others or to gain advantages for ourselves -- other than in the most general way of praying for protection from harm, general prosperity, etc., which is spell work of sorts, but on the "lite" side.  

Ironically, the only groups other than disaffected teenagers who seem not only willing to engage in negative Magick, but revelling in it, are the scary Christian types we've been talking about.  What is worrisome is that some may actually have power--or be able to tap into energies--that could have consequences both to themselves and to the folks at whom they aim their workings.  But unlike followers of religions, such as Wicca, who are taught to be, and learn to be, mindful of the dangers of Magick to others and to oneself, these folks appear to believe that if they are engaging in these behaviors on behalf of Christ, then, no more thought needs to be put into it.

As for you -- you can do your own protection spell.  It need not be elaborate or follow any special "rules," but it needs to be done with, as we call it "Magickal intent."  You can even call upon the Christian God if you wish.  To create the appropriate focus, you will want to either establish a circle (or an area between the couch and the TV, or even around the boundaries of your property or the perimeter of your house), and call upon whichever powers you choose to repel bad thoughts or negative intents of others that might be sent your way.  How you do this little ritual is up to you--the power of it is in the intent of the worker (you).   Think about how you want to do it, the types of thoughts or energies you want to block, wait for a time when you feel ready and up to it (note: good Magickal workings will sap your strength for an hour or two at least -- that's one way that you will know you got it right), and set your protection spell.

Frankly, protection spells are the only type of Magick I ever advocate those who are not Pagan Adepts to perform.  And I don't, as a rule, suggest them for anyone other than stable and sensible adults who don't have a lot of weird ideas (I know, I know -- this sounds so strange coming from someone who just described a Magickal spell).  Good luck with it, but be mindful that you are playing with power that should not be abused.

Good luck with it.  I hope some of these Christian folks who are engaging in "spiritual warfare" wake up and get a clue that what they are doing could cause great harm, if not in the physical realm, then to themselves psychologically.

by coralsea on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:52:39 AM EST
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I didn't say anyone's thoughts would be puny. I said theirs are. That is why they back up their "imprecations" with very physical deeds of violence. That's why the person who did the oil and the syntheshit came back and put an obstacle in the path where I walk the dog at night, and it is the resulting fall, not their pea-brained maledictions, causing me the pain in my lower back and left leg to which I alluded at Hatewatch (I fell with my left leg in a position that hyperextended all the joints from the hip to the ankle). Exactly because they know they cannot really command luck, fate, or The Lard, they tend to follow up with very real deeds.

by Rey Mohammed on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 01:50:04 PM EST
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Rey -- I agree with you on the whole "Puny Thoughts" thing.  Although it is bad that they also commit actual violent and harassing acts, I, for one, am glad that the majority of these mouth-breathing nasties cannot actually harness any real magickal power.  I certainly wouldn't want to meet any that did.

Bummer on the leg injury!  Apparently, they really are lacking in the Golden Rule department.  

by coralsea on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 03:45:15 PM EST
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Coral Sea, you can find me on Facebook at /rey.mohammed.5. If you send me an identifiable friend request, I would be delighted to honor it (already have Aron)

by Rey Mohammed on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 01:02:50 PM EST
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WWJD: Who Would Jesus Despise

by pcolsen on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:05:01 PM EST
... Jesus despising anyone.

by Khalila RedBird on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 02:52:54 AM EST
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And mean, greedy people, if memory serves me.

by Rey Mohammed on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:56:20 AM EST
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That letter is disturbing on a number of counts, non of them good. I read Psalm 109.
#17 states

17     As he loved cursing,

so let it come unto him:
as he delighted not in blessing,
so let it be far from him.

I can't help wondering why they cannot see themselves when they read this.

by mgardener on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:37:03 AM EST



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Surprised no one's noticed this, but one of the nation's most virulent homophobes is in a fight to keep his day job.  Eugene Delgaudio is best known as the head of Public Advocate......
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Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents
This caught me by surprise. I guess times are a changin in Dixieland. ------------------------------------- Cross posted from the HRC blog. Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents January 21,......
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Robert Knight: Running against evolution could potentially be a winner for the GOP
In one of the starkest instances yet of how far gone the religious right is, one of its leading activists thinks that he's found another potential wedge issue that could drive more people into......
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First Catholic official convicted in child sex abuse scandal has conviction overturned
Last year, Monsignor William Lynn, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's secretary for clergy, was convicted of reassigning a priest whom he knew had molested a young boy to a parish that had a school attached......
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Quotes From Sarah Palin 'War on Christmas" Book v. Quotes From 1920s Anti-Jewish Propaganda
The point of this comparison is not to cast Sarah Palin as a Nazi. Rather, my intent is to underline uncomfortable similarities between contemporary "war on Christmas" talking points propagated by elements of the......
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Francis sets up commission on how to deal with pedophile priests
Late yesterday Pope Francis announced--apparently after some prodding--that he will set up a panel to advise him on how to deal with child abuse by priests. The announcement was a forthright acknowledgment by the......
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