Fox & MSNBC Reporters at Values Voters: Rude, Disruptive, Lazy
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Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 12:29:09 PM EST
A lot of mileage has been made about the confrontations between two TV reporters at the 2009 Christian Right Values Voter Summit in Washington, DC this weekend.

I was there.  Let me offer a different version of events. The two reporters were rude and lazy and disruptive. Other video standups by other reporters were done in a large lobby a few steps away from the camera risers in the auditorium.

This was not about conference attendees or organizers not wanting coverage, or failing to provide media facilities, or being whackos. This was about two loud, arrogant male oafs disrupting an event. I was 40 feet away from the Fox reporter when he began shouting into his microphone like he was covering a football game.

I could not hear the conference speaker, and the audio into my video camera was being blotted out by his pompous performance.  At least ten rows of attendees sat up and turned around when he started his stand up routine.  The same thing happened with the MSNBC reporter.

We could not hear the speaker at the podium. It was obnoxious, and not necessary. As I said before, other reporters had their crews lug a camera into the hallway.  Other reporters used unidirectional noise cancelling microphones when in the auditorium.

Clearly I am a critic of the views of most people at the Values Voter Summit. But I feel an obligation to set the record straight. These two reporters were jerks.  The attendees just wanted to listen to the speakers. I spoke with other reporters who agree with me. They are not in a position to be publicly critical. I am.

Liberals and leftists tend to sneer at these Values Voter folks in the Christian Right. Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Markos Moulitsas, and other commentators and pundits get a lot of laugh lines when mocking and trivializing these folks.

Of course these are the same people that elected Ronald Reagan, and the Bushies I & II. These are the people that stopped the Equal Rights Amendment. These are the people that immobilized the Clinton Administration. These are the people trying to take down the Obama Administration.

Will they succeed? Perhaps. Maybe not. But while liberals and leftists keep laughing at them, the Christian Right will be busy trying to craft a last laugh--and their track record is nothing to sneer at.




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I am a regular poster to ths website, and have been challenging the Christian Right for 30 years.  I was at the conference as a reporter.
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by Chip Berlet on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:42:17 PM EST

This is an extremely valuable statement for several reasons. First and foremost, it stands up for civil discourse while highlighting the antics of a still too lazy media. Secondly, it displays honest observation; something so necessary for long term credibility.

But perhaps the most important thing you said here was this:

Liberals and leftists tend to sneer at these Values Voter folks in the Christian Right. Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Markos Moulitsas, and other commentators and pundits get a lot of laugh lines when mocking and trivializing these folks.

Of course these are the same people that elected Ronald Reagan, and the Bushies I & II. These are the people that stopped the Equal Rights Amendment. These are the people that immobilized the Clinton Administration. These are the people trying to take down the Obama Administration.

Will they succeed? Perhaps. Maybe not. But while liberals and leftists keep laughing at them, the Christian Right will be busy trying to craft a last laugh--and their track record is nothing to sneer at.

Too many of us on the Left kick down at these folks. Instead of trying to win them over, we needlessly mock them. As a result they easily buy into the Right's frame that "liberals think that they are superior to you." Then after deriding them we can't figure out why many of these folks automatically tune us out and why our message never isn't even considered.

Thank you Chip for such an honest and necessary statement.

by Frank Cocozzelli on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:45:52 PM EST

...and it is so frustrating to anyone who has ever done community or labor oranizing.
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by Chip Berlet on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 02:48:39 PM EST
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We will never "win them over".  The best we can do is get them to realize just how wrong they are and how they're being led by the nose.  Then they will no longer be "them".

Anything we put before them to try to "win them over" will just be dismissed, as you said- but not because "liberals look down at them".  It's because we ARE liberals that whatever we say is dismissed out of hand.  For the most part, they've been taught to let the preachers do the thinking FOR them.  You know the lies their preachers repeat about liberals.

What would work is for the cracks in the Dominionist facade to become so big that they can't ignore what's behind them any more.  We need to find those cracks and expose what's behind them.  If we do it enough, the mainstream press will get off it's duff and start paying attention.

At the same time, I AM glad to hear the truth about the two reporters.  The problem I see is that the other reporters aren't going to THINK about what is being said at that "summit".  Because of the jerkish reactions of these two, I'd say that they aren't going to rock the boat because they don't want to be equated with that behavior.


by ArchaeoBob on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 05:03:14 PM EST
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Bob, you say:

The best we can do is get them to realize just how wrong they are and how they're being led by the nose.

We'll never do that by mocking them and thus playing into the Right's frame that we believe ourselves to be superior.

by Frank Cocozzelli on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 06:27:05 PM EST
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...for recruitment. But when we model bad behaviour, and appear smug and superior, we tourn off the large number of folks not in the Christian Right who might listen to what we say.
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by Chip Berlet on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 09:15:35 PM EST
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However, I don't know that many liberals that act smug and superior.

There is this too... they could claim that as long as we don't agree with them, we're acting smug and superior.  Being honest is best.


by ArchaeoBob on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 09:28:43 PM EST
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However, I don't know that many liberals that act smug and superior.

Here's a partial list:

Frank Rich;
Keith Olbermann;
Increasingly, Jonathon Alter;
Eugene Robinson;
Bill Maher (although he often describes himself as "libertarian")
Political cartoonists Jeff Danzinger and Pat Oliphant;
Columnist Richard Cohen;
Rachel Maddow;
Ed Schultz;
Stephanie Miller;
Randi Rhodes;
Comedian Kathy Griffen;
Barbara Striesand; and
Gail Collins.

That's a list of those who too often kick down instead of just kicking up.


by Frank Cocozzelli on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 07:19:50 AM EST
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I only recognize a couple of names on the list.

I was thinking more along the lines of the people here.  I don't hear of liberal commentators or anything like that.  Usually all I hear of is Rush Limbaugh or people like him.

by ArchaeoBob on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 10:48:24 AM EST
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we try to avoid smug and superior.

One of the ways we begin is to avoid meaningless terms of demonization like the utterly inappropriate "American Taliban" when discussing the Religious Right.

When we are critical, it is best to offer valid reasons rather than emphasizing inflammatory analogies.

by Frederick Clarkson on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:34:34 PM EST
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You can add people like Janeane Garafolo to that list http://maxblumenthal.com/2009/09/true-grit/ http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh022709.shtml , as well as Maureen Dowd.

Chip and Frank are correct about this.  I have to wonder, if liberals and leftists are so smart, how come they lose to the "dumb" right all the time?

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by hardindr on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 06:24:07 PM EST
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"What would work is for the cracks in the Dominionist facade to become so big that they can't ignore what's behind them any more.  We need to find those cracks and expose what's behind them."

These people believe in myths, fairytales and other phantasms which they cannot demonstrate to be true. They are delusional. What bigger crack do you need?

by kaori on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 12:12:17 AM EST
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As long as they don't try to force it on the rest of us.  That's when it becomes a problem.

What I'm talking about is their acceptance of their leadership at face value- when their leaders are proven flat out liars.  Their acceptance of the structure, when the structure itself has cracks.  For instance, most of them don't seem to see the disconnect between their leadership's calls for theocracy, and how that violates the constitutional democracy we have.  They don't see that their leaders are setting up a situation where the ordinary people become little more than slaves for the rich.

They claim to be patriots, but their leaders have called for the overthrow of the constitution.

They support dishonesty in Big Business, but denounce people for "living in sin" and so on.

They support teaching lies about history, because it feeds their prejudices.

Their structure- the sociopolitical situation in which dominionism works, has cracks.  The American public itself isn't really aware of dominionism- much less that there is a real problem and threat there.  The structure itself supports that ignorance.

That is what I'm talking about.

The people (not just dominionists) don't know that they don't know, and mass media has helped it to stay that way.

by ArchaeoBob on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:53:25 AM EST
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The Daily Howler has good articles on our inability to deal effectively with the right wing attack machine pointing out the very same people using the very same tactics against Obama Health Care that they used again Clinton Health Care. Is it incompetence or something else? The Daily Howler has excellent points about Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow along with others.

by sovereignjohn on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 12:43:16 PM EST
I think it is a class bias.  People like Olbermann, Maddow and other "liberal" commentators on high will have their healthcare regardless of what happens to the peons below them with Obama's healthcare reform.  Why would they want to upset their corporate masters and threaten their jobs by sticking up for a bunch of nobodies they wouldn't look twice at walking down the street?

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"I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair" - JFK, Address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association
by hardindr on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 06:27:39 PM EST
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pointed out as smug, I have to admit that Chip and others are right, that we do ourselves no favors by sounding like we know what's best for everyone. I'll be the first to admit that no, we aren't going to get anyone from the far right to see things in a less dogmatic way. But I also agree that we aren't going to get more moderate, yet devout Christians/religious to see things our way when they see and hear sneering jabs at their faith and beliefs. I am as guilty as anyone for the ways I've denounced groups like the rightwing ideologues currently enmeshed with the Texas SBOE, perhaps because I'm one of those unbelievers that never really had any indoctrination, so it's very hard for me to understand that mindset, not to mention my lack of an authoritarian streak. It took me well over a year of visiting sites like this, Religious Dispatches, and moderates like Mr. Clarkson and others, to force me to finally comprehend how little I accomplish with such a narrow view. I'm still no angel, and I remain appalled by the blatant lies told by supposed leaders of the religious right. I just know now that we need to convince those not yet sold on theocratic visions, that we are all in this together.

by trog69 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 08:55:47 AM EST

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