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Wed Jul 08, 2015 at 11:53:42 AM EST
Think I've been making things up about experiencing Christian Terrorism or exaggerating, or that it was an isolated incident?  I suggest you read this article (linked below in body), which is about our great Sheriff and his preaching in uniform (which BTW he is insisting that he will continue doing).  It has some interesting points that I hadn't been aware of before now.


I point to the second paragraph.  Quote:

"The attorney for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Andrew Seidel, cited other suits that ended with members having their houses fire bombed or pets killed. He believes going against the Sheriff could have some serious consequences."

He knows what he's talking about.  It's the same for going against the dominionists in general.  It's exactly what we experienced just because I'd written things critical of the churches.

I am afraid (almost terrified) to write this (exercising freedom of speech) but feel it necessary to take the risk (it's also why I use a pseudonym).  Things have gotten so tense in this area after the Supreme Court decisions that I am afraid to even make a comment anywhere on the internet because of the very real danger to anyone who opposes the "Good Christians" - at least to anyone living in a hellhole like this.  I hope this will serve as a wakeup call to anyone who still claims "But it's a CHURCH, it can't be THAT BAD!" or "Christians cannot be terrorists!"

This (preaching in uniform) is a new form of attack on separation of Church and State.  I know others have done it in the past, but the reality is that a message is being sent to the non-Christians in this county by our "Great" sheriff... that if we don't convert and conform to THEIR expectations, we don't belong.  Believe me, I get that message LOUD AND CLEAR.  I'm just glad that some evidence has finally showed up, showing that I'm not alone in the experiences I've gone through in this hellhole.  I also now think I understand why there have been so many separation of church and state lawsuits in this county - and why they were dropped.

I just hope and pray that I don't experience their "consequences for actions" for writing this.  If something bad happens to us... remember this.

(Note: I just came across the article I linked to.  It appears to have been published around a month ago - nothing like it in the local news.)

As long as the Corporate Press ignores or down plays these kinds of local terrorism it fuels those who would criticize others for in any way comparing the "good" Christians here with the "bad" Muslims over there. Though both religions have violent bases to them, equally so, most of their adherents are not violent. We need to build bridges and get them to dispose of the violent aspects of their religions.

by Nightgaunt on Sun Aug 02, 2015 at 02:28:04 PM EST
One of the things that has most turned me off to Christianity in general (besides learning much that tends to call 99% of Christian doctrine into serious question) is the common attitude that they have to somehow control or manipulate others - which in it's worst forms results in blocking of employment, slander, libel, "legal" harassment, coercive proselytizing, and other attempts to force others to change to fit their stereotypes - all of which I also consider aspects of terrorism.  The attempts to control others dominates most of the Christianity in this hellhole (not surprising considering the Christian Terrorism that occurs in this region on a somewhat regular basis).  We see this desire for control (beyond just this area) in attacks on LGBT people, on minorities, and on organizations that oppose their domination.  I've even had an occasion where upon my disagreeing with the practice of preaching hostile and condemning sermons against living individuals resulted in the comment of "How will we control them if we DON'T preach against them!".  I didn't have the quick wit to tell the speaker that Religion should not be about controlling others, but controlling oneself - and power issues caused me to withhold comment.

I used to try to build bridges, now I only want to build my own walkway and those who would be friends (real friends, not fake friends only seeking to convert) are welcome to use it.  (I admit to being far more friendly to pagans, to Jews, to Muslims, to atheists, and so on - it's because of our experiences.)

From what little I know about Islam and Islamic nations, the desire to control others is also a problem in those areas.  I have long realized that from a certain point of view, there is little difference between the two religions.  IMO, if the adherents of the main religions would stop looking at others and start applying their religion upon themselves (make it an internal thing instead of external - and stop requiring others to live up to the first person's expectations), a lot of this stuff would slack off.  Of course, I also have to admit that there are people who directly benefit from violence and control (sometimes discussed here on T2A), and those individuals will resist mightily and that they encourage the things we resist.

by ArchaeoBob on Mon Aug 03, 2015 at 09:07:51 PM EST

Religion is all about control. Difficult to get away from that. Flock and herder imagery tells it all. It would depend on individual Christians, Muslims etc. who agree with live-and-let-live. Which is few since it goes against certainly the Abramic religions.

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I earned the hate of a Good Christian on YouTube recently, and received another credible death threat.  It was reported to YouTube, and the guy vanished - banned from YouTube and all of his posts deleted.  It seems to have become more and more common (noticing that conservatives - often "Bible-believing" Christians - vanished along with their often-bigoted and hateful posts).

I've also had several "Death Wishes" (along with "I'll pray for you!"), which didn't quite reach the threat level of the jackass I mentioned.  Some of those were removed by YouTube as well - the comment, and I think the ones making the comments were warned.  Others also were getting that sort of treatment - the Death threats, death wishes, and so on.  Bible-believing Christians and Conservatives are NOT happy that people are speaking out in opposition to their pet causes (usually forcing their ideology on others).

It's getting more and more scary, and I've had to cut back my freedom of speech even further.  Even confronting clear, overt, and vicious racist bigotry can get you in trouble with some Good Christians these days - as in the example I mentioned in the beginning.

If Clinton wins (I hope), we're going to keep the lowest profile we can.  If Trump doesn't take over the government by 'legal' means, I expect violence, especially directed at those who opposed him.

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