Did Tim LaHaye Just Call Israelis "Not-To-Be-Trusted Yids?"
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 06:12:32 PM EST
The Christian right sure gets its panties in a bunch when Jews act without their permission. Recently, a speech by the ADL's Abe Foxman denouncing the Christian right's theocratic agenda provoked a Gangland-style threat from James Dobson minion Tom Minnery -- "If you keep bullying your friends, pretty soon you won't have any." Then, in response to Ariel Sharon's Gaza pullout and subsequent formation of a new, centrist party, Tim LaHaye's Left Behind Prophecy Group leapt into the fracas with some good, old-fashioned anti-Semitic slurs.  
In an article entitled "Will the Goyim Win?" published on the official site of best-selling author Tim LaHaye (who also operates an annual Holy Land tour for evangelicals), "Christian journalist" Stan Goodenough takes Israel and the Sharon government to task for trading land for peace. In breathless prose, Goodenough bemoans the Israelis' supposed surrender of "the cradle of their nationhood, the burial places of their national patriarchs and heroes."

Then, he proceeds to pile it on:

But do you know what, Jews of Israel - and those Jews still in exile who so fervently support this way? You may think that in so acquiescing, you are setting a glowing example to the nations of the world.

But as far as these nations are concerned, the last thing they will want to do is emulate you. All you are doing is proving them right in their long-held belief that you are illegitimate, land grabbing, not-to-be-trusted Yids. And, as far as the Muslim world is concerned, your actions only confirm their view of you as a dhimmi nation, fit only to be ruled over by, and subdued under, Islam.


Ariel Sharon may have bulldozed countless Palestinian homes, but to the apparent dismay of many Christian Zionists, he won't clear enough space in the Holy Land to build the Messiah's landing pad. And so the movement that had hoped to exploit the Jewish state all the way to Judgement Day has reverted to its old, bigoted self. Though Goodenough tries to afford himself a degree of plausible deniability by using the international community as his surrogate for calling Israelis "not-to-be-trusted Yids," his point is clear: If Israel is not useful to rapture-ready evangelicals, it might as well not exist.



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Scratch the surface of the theology and the old hate oozes out.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
You and Esther Kaplan and Michelle Goldberg are doing important work in detailing the realignments going on among conservative evangelicals, the American Jewish community, the state of Israel, its political factions.

For a generation, the Christian Right has been able to effectively innoculate itself against charges of anti-Semetism by pointing to its support for the state of Israel. But as American Jews stand up to the Christian Right political agenda (and it's ugly religious supremacism), and Israeli leaders like Sharon take a political path that is not necessarily in tune with thier theology -- politics here in the U.S. will be seeing some changes.

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Cultures grounded in recent tragedy tend to have clearer priorities, I think. These were my in-laws , but that's not the only reason I'm sympathetic :  I had a good time.

The event was pleasant, the turkey perfect, the hosts gracious.

Well, that day has come and gone. Today is another day. I don't find Mr. LaHaye's showcasing of such language nice at all.

I find it ugly.

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I'm a Christian, but not a fundamentalist. I have relatives who are fundamentalist Christians and they told my children that Jews will not reach heaven. I told my children that it is up to God to decide who will get to heaven and who will not, and I am not God so I cannot tell them who will reach heaven and who will not. My fundamentalist relatives insist that Jews cannot get to heaven unless they abandon Judaism and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. With the Religious Right claiming to embrace Israel it is important to ask them a fundamental question. Will Jews go to heaven? Almost all fundamentalists will tell you that they will go to Hell and burn for eternity unless they turn away from Judaism. So their support of Israel is just a means to an end: the speeding up of the day that Jesus comes back. They fully expect their Jewish allies to burn in Hell for eternity, but for now they will pretend to be their friends so that they can a achieve their ends.

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the Christian Right by definition, as a movement of politicized Christian fundamentalists, sees Jews as ultimately nothing more than a people who blew their special opportunity with God, a people of tragedy, a people who are bound, destined, to suffer and be wrong.

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The rightwing passed progressivism by in America. (And contrary to what many American progressives think, I submit that the battle is not over yet in Europe, either, particularly in Eastern Europe.) Now it's the era of progressivism's desperate campaign of catch up, with no guarantee of success whatsoever. None.

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c) converting Jews to "Messianic Jews" aka kosher pentes (so they can CLAIM to be Jewish because they keep kashrut laws and celebrate High Holidays, and we won't seem so callous)

Trust me, despite all the idolatry of Jews and Israel you see in especially the pente/charismatic-flavoured types of dominionism, they would be MORE than happy to ship everyone of Jewish descent back to Israel and promptly all have them convert to pentecostal kosher dominionists.  That's actually what they're hoping WILL happen; some groups even claim during the tribulation two Jews who convert to "messianic Judaism" will be martyred and this will cause a mass conversion.

When the Jewish people and Israel don't play along with the script--and increasingly, in part because they're realising just what script the "premillenial dispensationalists" are reading from in the first place, they aren't playing nice anymore--this tends to make the dominionist groups quite cranky, and they are probably just STARTING a massive tantrum.

This is why I have been beating up and down on each and every antidominionist forum I know of since the SPLC announced their expose on dominionism--and ESPECIALLY since the ADL and the Reform congregation started standing up to them--that these groups are going to need every bit of our support.

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Bonus points, of course, for being called a Communist and/or Marxist in the survey (because you get Godless Commie Points (tm) that way, you know :3)

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Cognitive Dissonance & Dominionism Denial
There is new research on why people are averse to hearing or learning about the views of ideological opponents. Based on evaluation of five......
By Frederick Clarkson (375 comments)
Will the Air Force Do Anything To Rein In Its Dynamic Duo of Gay-Bashing, Misogynistic Bloggers?
"I always get nervous when I see female pastors/chaplains. Here is why everyone should as well: "First, women are not called to be pastors,......
By Chris Rodda (203 comments)
The Legacy of Big Oil
The media is ablaze with the upcoming publication of David Grann's book, Killers of the Flower Moon. The shocking non fiction account of the......
By wilkyjr (111 comments)
Gimme That Old Time Dominionism Denial
Over the years, I have written a great deal here and in other venues about the explicitly theocratic movement called dominionism -- which has......
By Frederick Clarkson (101 comments)
History Advisor to Members of Congress Completely Twists Jefferson's Words to Support Muslim Ban
Pseudo-historian David Barton, best known for his misquoting of our country's founders to promote the notion that America was founded as a Christian nation,......
By Chris Rodda (113 comments)
"Christian Fighter Pilot" Calls First Lesbian Air Force Academy Commandant a Liar
In a new post on his "Christian Fighter Pilot" blog titled "BGen Kristin Goodwin and the USAFA Honor Code," Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan......
By Chris Rodda (144 comments)
Catholic Right Leader Unapologetic about Call for 'Death to Liberal Professors' -- UPDATED
Today, Donald Trump appointed C-FAM Executive Vice President Lisa Correnti to the US Delegation To UN Commission On Status Of Women. (C-FAM is a......
By Frederick Clarkson (126 comments)
Controlling Information
     Yesterday I listened to Russ Limbaugh.  Rush advised listeners it would be best that they not listen to CNN,MSNBC, ABC, CBS and......
By wilkyjr (118 comments)
Is Bannon Fifth-Columning the Pope?
In December 2016 I wrote about how White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who likes to flash his Catholic credentials when it comes to......
By Frank Cocozzelli (251 comments)
Ross Douthat's Hackery on the Seemingly Incongruous Alliance of Bannon & Burke
Conservative Catholic writer Ross Douthat has dissembled again. This time, in a February 15, 2017 New York Times op-ed titled The Trump Era's Catholic......
By Frank Cocozzelli (65 comments)
`So-Called Patriots' Attack The Rule Of Law
Every so often, right-wing commentator Pat Buchanan lurches out of the far-right fever swamp where he has resided for the past 50 years to......
By Rob Boston (161 comments)
Bad Faith from Focus on the Family
Here is one from the archives, Feb 12, 2011, that serves as a reminder of how deeply disingenuous people can be. Appeals to seek......
By Frederick Clarkson (177 comments)
The Legacy of George Wallace
"One need not accept any of those views to agree that they had appealed to real concerns of real people, not to mindless, unreasoning......
By wilkyjr (70 comments)
Betsy DeVos's Mudsill View of Public Education
My Talk to Action colleague Rachel Tabachnick has been doing yeoman's work in explaining Betsy DeVos's long-term strategy for decimating universal public education. If......
By Frank Cocozzelli (80 comments)
Prince and DeVos Families at Intersection of Radical Free Market Privatizers and Religious Right
This post from 2011 surfaces important information about President-Elect Trump's nominee for Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos. -- FC Erik Prince, Brother of Betsy......
By Rachel Tabachnick (218 comments)

Respect for Others? or Political Correctness?
The term "political correctness" as used by Conservatives and Republicans has often puzzled me: what exactly do they mean by it? After reading Chip Berlin's piece here-- http://www.talk2action.org/story/2016/7/21/04356/9417 I thought about what he explained......
MTOLincoln (253 comments)
Fear
What I'm feeling now is fear.  I swear that it seems my nightmares are coming true with this new "president".  I'm also frustrated because so many people are not connecting all the dots! I've......
ArchaeoBob (109 comments)
"America - love it or LEAVE!"
I've been hearing that and similar sentiments fairly frequently in the last few days - far FAR more often than ever before.  Hearing about "consequences for burning the flag (actions) from Trump is chilling!......
ArchaeoBob (214 comments)
"Faked!" Meme
Keep your eyes and ears open for a possible move to try to discredit the people openly opposing Trump and the bigots, especially people who have experienced terrorism from the "Right"  (Christian Terrorism is......
ArchaeoBob (165 comments)
More aggressive proselytizing
My wife told me today of an experience she had this last week, where she was proselytized by a McDonald's employee while in the store. ......
ArchaeoBob (164 comments)
See if you recognize names on this list
This comes from the local newspaper, which was conservative before and took a hard right turn after it was sold. Hint: Sarah Palin's name is on it!  (It's also connected to Trump.) ......
ArchaeoBob (169 comments)
Unions: A Labor Day Discussion
This is a revision of an article which I posted on my personal board and also on Dailykos. I had an interesting discussion on a discussion board concerning Unions. I tried to piece it......
Xulon (180 comments)
Extremely obnoxious protesters at WitchsFest NYC: connected to NAR?
In July of this year, some extremely loud, obnoxious Christian-identified protesters showed up at WitchsFest, an annual Pagan street fair here in NYC.  Here's an account of the protest by Pagan writer Heather Greene......
Diane Vera (130 comments)
Capitalism and the Attack on the Imago Dei
I joined this site today, having been linked here by Crooksandliars' Blog Roundup. I thought I'd put up something I put up previously on my Wordpress blog and also at the DailyKos. As will......
Xulon (331 comments)
History of attitudes towards poverty and the churches.
Jesus is said to have stated that "The Poor will always be with you" and some Christians have used that to refuse to try to help the poor, because "they will always be with......
ArchaeoBob (149 comments)
Alternate economy medical treatment
Dogemperor wrote several times about the alternate economy structure that dominionists have built.  Well, it's actually made the news.  Pretty good article, although it doesn't get into how bad people could be (have been)......
ArchaeoBob (90 comments)
Evidence violence is more common than believed
Think I've been making things up about experiencing Christian Terrorism or exaggerating, or that it was an isolated incident?  I suggest you read this article (linked below in body), which is about our great......
ArchaeoBob (214 comments)

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