Ministering within the controversy
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:16:38 PM EST
Baptist Press reports that the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention has kicked out a church that has a partnership with a group that ministers to people with sexual orientation minorities. This is not news, as Southern Baptist anti-gay policies are widely known. What is news is that there are churches, even Southern Baptist churches in Texas, that are beginning to practice a new form of pro-gay ministry that promises to challenge how the Christian Right has used homosexuality as a tool for political power and control.
In a previous post on Donald Miller, I quoted some of an interview he had with the Door magazine. Below is another part of the interview where he talks about his understanding of homosexuality and its place in the church.

DOOR: Give us an example of an issue where you tick off both the conservatives and the liberals.

MILLER: One of those issues is homosexuality. Conservatives will say, Don you shouldn't embrace these people or accept them in our community or let them be in leadership positions because it's a sin, and they're all ** off. Certainly it's a sin; it's something that God probably wants to deal with people about. But homosexuality is not a sin any more than, say, gluttony is a sin. And that means we love them, we keep them in our community. If they repent about it and want to try to change, that's great. If they don't I'm not going to kick them out of our community. When science says people are born homosexuals, I would say absolutely people are born homosexuals. Satan is an unfair guy, he rules this world.

DOOR: But there are those liberal Christians who would disagree with you that homosexuality is a sin at all.

MILLER: That's an area where the liberals are all ** at me. But I think the balanced view is yes, it's a sin, and we're all sinners, and that doesn't disqualify this person from leadership or anything else. It's a hard thing for people to get their minds around but I think it's accurate and biblical.

I was reminded of this conversation when I learned that there was a Baptist church in Texas where a pastor who believes that homosexuality is a sin, is nevertheless in partnership with a ministry that is being lead by a minister who has a more liberal and fully accepting view of homosexuality. This minister quotes from the Baptist Press article and comments in a blog connected with her ministry:

Aside from the fact that Eklektos is not a "church" in any official capacity, and I am not the Senior Pastor, it's a shame that the political climate of the SBTC is such that merely associating with a ministry outreach that does not condemn homosexuals is so threatening.  Does Jesus condemn homosexuals?  No, Jesus goes out of his way to associate with people the church of his day condemned, and he offered them love.  

I realize that many people differ on the Biblical interpretation of Scripture surrounding issues of homosexuality. My hope is that Eklektos will minister within that controversy and seek Christ in the midst of it.  I acknowledge that even the most faithful Christians can disagree over whether homosexuality is sinful -- Randy and I differ on that issue -- but this ministry is here to reach people who are typically ostracized and hurt by the Church, and to offer them a loving and non-judgemental community in which to seek Christ and grow in discipleship.  Even if we all agreed that homosexuality was a sin, should a church require gay and lesbians to be celibate or "convert" to heterosexuality?  No.  Not anymore than the church should require divorced people to reconcile, wealthy people to divest their money from companies that promote unrepentant consumerism, or gluttonous people to go on diets.

While we have Al Mohler loudly representing the homophobic side of Southern Baptists and Christians on Larry King, it is good to know that we are also seeing the quiet beginnings of a love ethic that hopefully will bridge our cultural divide and diffuse the political manipulation of this issue.




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Given that it's Texas, maybe it's a fair amount of progress. And I admire Miller's courage in standing up to the SBTC. But it's still disturbing to me that a clergyman who otherwise seems to be a fairly progressive evangelical talks about homosexuality as a "sin" comparable to gluttony. That is truly demeaning and smacks of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" meme. It fails to make a distinction between a nasty, self-indulgent behavior that is theoretically amenable to control and who someone is. I hope that in the course of partnering with the new church he will actually get to know gay people and develop some sensitivity to this issue.

Also interesting that SBTC's displeasure wasn't due just to partnering with a church that included gays but that Eklektos had a (gasp!) woman minister. Texas is truly medieval!

by Psyche on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 01:58:54 AM EST


There is a follow-up article on this situation in Texas in the Baptist Press.

by Carlos on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 02:00:13 PM EST

 First of all I take issue that homosexuality is a sin because I know of people who have tried through their church, psychotherapy,electric shock ,conventional marriage among other things to change but to no avail... they could not change their sexual orientation.... those who cite homosexaulity as a sin, forget that in the old testament ,to work on the sabbath day at all was considered a sin and people were to be put to death. for breaking this law... in the new testament Christ broke the law of the sabbath and it's rules many times  a) when he and his men harvested grain  to eat on the sabbath b) to heal , among other things.... so if we followed  these old testament conventions , Jesus should have been put to death. You believe because the bible says something about homosexuality , that this necessarily the truth, but the truth is the bible has many inconsistencies and incongruencies in the scripture, I've read them and have seen contradictions in the scripture, so I'm at loathe to say.... to even trust it as the  word of God...  I personally trust God and seek his guidance about matters and I ask for his direction in matters, not what man has  written about God....  I personally think homosexuality is no more a crime than not getting married and not having children...Of course the religious right would have you believe that homosexuality defies God's law of "procreating" ( having children and marriage)Christ  himself didn't marry and have children.(and I'm not saying Christ was homosexual either) Does it prove then that being married and in a heterosexual relationship make for good virtuous people, obviously not... If these so called mandates(observing the sabbath, marrying and having children) were ordained by God as the bible says, how come Christ broke the law of the sabbath and didn't marry ? It says something about challenging preconceived notions and conventions and orthodoxy and dogma... which Christ evidently did.. So I say just because it is written does it prove it true? Obviously not.... There are other things in the bible I would not believe or agree with like the stoning of children if they were disobedient to their parents...So if you believe that the bible is the infallible ,unerrant word of God you have to follow all it's mandates,whether they are contradictory or not... I personally ask God  for guidance in what to believe and follow my conscience, independent of scripture.

by akaladystar on Sun Jan 22, 2006 at 10:11:15 PM EST
I'd also like to add that in the biblical scripture in the new testament, it says that in the reading of the old testament to this day that a veil lies over their hearts and minds and they are blinded but the veil is taken away in Christ ,for where the spirit of the lord is there is freedom, Christ portrayed a God much different from the old testament , a God of love and mercy,and forgiveness whereas the old testament portrayed a often punitive and vengeful God,a God of violence and war that contrasts with the new testaments version of God and peace....How can scripture itself be so contradictory...  And how can such contradictory views of God avail.... ?   So how do we know that all scripture under all circumstances was inspired of God, when Jesus often questioned old testament standards...like on issues of the sabbath, and he even said you have heard in the days of old an eye for an eye , a tooth for a tooth, but  tell you to forgive those who have wronged you.... he didn't exact revenge on his enemies when he was crucified  either..... All I can say is  atrocities have been committed in the name of religion and God, with those fully believing God actually had a hand in it or it was a mandate of God....so don't believe everything you read because it says so...  right minded thinking would challenge those assumptions...

by akaladystar on Sun Jan 22, 2006 at 10:42:30 PM EST
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 I question the bible itself as far as being authentically the word of God because I've read scripture and it is inconsistent ...the God that in his ten commandements said thou shalt not kill, often commands the israelis to kill in the name of God.. a site on the bible and it's inconsistencies ishttp://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm#kill-all-unbelievers

by akaladystar on Mon Jan 23, 2006 at 12:04:08 AM EST
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