Jan & Paul Crouch, World's Largest Broadcasters
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 at 08:03:28 PM EST

In the continuing series of postings on individual portraits, bios, quotes and links on the major "American Fundamentalists" portrayed in my painting, this week features Paul & Jan Crouch, owner/operators of Christian television network TBN. I welcome your comments, further quotes and links on these individuals and the groups they run and/or support (to be included on my site).

Founders of TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) with Jim Bakker (who later left under a cloud of scandals and divorced his wife Tammy Fay), the Crouches preach a form of Evangelical Christian theology which assures the viewers that if they send money (to them, of course) Jesus will give back even more worldly riches. It's worked for the Crouches: their network broadcasts all over the world, they have purchased a $5,000,000 home in Newport Beach in the late '90s, and they have political influence in many 3rd world countries because of their wealth and worldwide media infiltration.


Paul Crouches' "Captain of the Hosts" phrase, seen at the end of the credit crawl of their shows, refers to a host ponzi-scheme he seems to be running: as the main "host" and owner of the network, he then leases time to many other "hosts," ministries and programming, including Benny Hinn (the ultimate in big-scale theatrical money preachers), D. James Kennedy and many "Christian Rock" videos and concerts (including Carman, the clean-cut Christian Wayne Newton). These other hosts raise money through their programming, and Paul gets his cut before Jesus (or anyone else) gets theirs. But Jesus, of course, is the "Captain" of all hosts, apparently shining down on Paul, who rests at the top of the earthly host heap (take that Robertson!). It's just lucky for Paul that the son of god doesn't show up every week with a paper bag demanding his protection money.

Together with his wife Jan (with her white dogs and huge fluorescent wigs) they seem almost clown-like and not a serious threats to democracy as we know it, but like George W with his aw-shucks demeanor and word gaffs, don't be deceived by the surface - the Crouches own and actively run the largest over-air broadcast network on the planet! Although these days they seem more concerned with being Hollywood movie producers and attacking their critics (both internal and external), they have amazing access to world political and economic leaders. The media power and the money that they wield, along with the extremist Christian Fundamentalists ideology that they and their programmers hammer 24 hours a day into homes across the world, force upon them a certain amount of responsibility for what they hath wrought - the idea that a return to superstition, top-down authoritarianism and intolerance are the "Christian" way to live.

But it's a good thing Jesus also forgives - just recently it was revealed that Paul has been paying off a former driver/personal assistant to keep their homosexual trysts a secret (whoops, not anymore).

"The parade of guests who are featured on Paul and Jan Crouch's TBN programming runs the gamut from the serious, sound Christian thinkers and ministers to the superficial, silly, and outright heretical. How many viewers can tell the difference? How many care to try? Spiritual gullibility is widespread throughout out culture, of course, but the Word-Faith movement is part of the problem, not part of the solution" ("The Word-Faith Controversy" by Robert M. Bowman Jr.)

Quotes

"He [God] doesn't even draw a distinction between Himself and us. You know what else that's settled, then, tonight? This hue and cry and controversy that has been spawned by the Devil to try and bring dissension within the body of Christ that we are gods. I am a little god! I have His name. I'm one with Him. I'm in covenant relation. I am a little god! Critics, be gone! (Praise The Lord, July 7, 1986)

"God, we proclaim death to anything or anyone that will lift a hand against this network and this ministry that belongs to You, God. It is Your work, it is Your idea, it is Your property, it is Your airwaves, it is Your world, and we proclaim death to anything that would stand in the way of God's great voice of proclamation to the whole world. In the Name of Jesus, and all the people said Amen! Speak, declare, prophesy the victory and purpose of God for TBN. No license will be revoked. No station will be shut down. This is the Word of the Lord. No station will be shut down. Oh, no, exclamation point! I am giving into your hand more licenses and more stations even more powerful than those that was threatened by the enemy."

Links


  • Crouch Time by Max Blumenthal, The American Prospect Online, Sep 22, 2004



Los Angeles-based artist Joel Pelletier is the creator of "American Fundamentalists (Christ's Entry into Washington in 2008)", an 8x14 foot painting depicting American religious, political and economic fundamentalists. He has been touring the US with the painting talking about "American Fundamentalism and the Threat to Democracy and Freedom of Faith" (more at americanfundamentalists.com)




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Paul certainly has the gift of gab, and I'm sure there are those out there who keep track of this stuff. I would love to have an extensive list of the programmers who lease time, especially Christian theocratic leaders, but also money-guys like Rev. Dollar, etc. The Crouches have been producing their own version of "Code" and "Left Behind" films, including a recent series featuring Michael York as the anti-christ. What are they up to now? I don't have the stomach to monitor the broadcasts anymore (which remind one of the CSPAN house coverage, with blowhards at the mic and occaisional pans to an empty hall, but with music), so I welcome your insights!

by joelp on Thu Jun 15, 2006 at 08:13:20 PM EST
Well, I can tell you that the majority of people who lease time on TBN tend to be of the "name it and claim it" or "spiritual warfare" subgroups of dominion theology as it is practiced in the Assemblies of God; in fact (and this is a trend that has been around since the very beginnings of televangelism on radio back in the early 1910s) most televangelism is and has been historically dominated by the Assemblies of God, seeing as they kind of invented the tactic.

A perusal of TBN's daily schedule includes listings of "name it and claim it" practitioners like Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis (whom is also a regular at the dominionist church I am a walkaway from, so I am intimately familiar with his idiocy in particular), Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, Fredrick Price, and others.

Of particular note, both New Life Church and World Harvest Church have programming on TBN (both Ted Haggard and Rod Parsley have programs on, and World Harvest Church is in fact largely funded through the televangelism industry).  Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice also has a program online.  Ron Luce, infamous in past for the "RIOT Manual" and more recently for the "BattleCry" rallies run by Teen Mania Ministries, also has a program; Greg Laurie, who has been connected to dominionist movements, also has a program.  

Keep in mind, this was all on the FRIDAY listing.   On other days, Carl Baugh (operator of the group Answers in Genesis) promotes young-earth creationism; the 700 Club, which is still carried on ABC Family thanks to a restrictive covenant that Pat Robertson forced ABC to sign when he sold the Family Channel to them, is also carried.  (A full weekly schedule is here.)

It should also be noted that Paul Crouch himself is an Assemblies-linked "name it and claim it" promoter, and his wife is reportedly also linked to the Assemblies; the links are extensive enough that TBN acts as a de facto broadcasting wing of the Assemblies and in particular some of the most spiritually abusive persons in the pente and neopente movements.  

Also, Rodney Howard-Browne (who is instrumental in popularising what is now known as "Toronto", "Pensacola" or "Third Wave" pentecostalism--which includes "spiritual warfare" as a core theology) has been a regular on TBN in past.

It is not exaggeration to state that TBN is, in fact, best describable as the Pentecostal Dominionism Channel.

Ministry Watch, a group that acts as a watchdog agency regarding church charities, has in fact strongly recommended that people not donate to any charities affilited with TBN and has in fact issued donor alerts in regards to multiple televangelists shown on TBN--in particular, Benny Hinn Ministries.  TBN itself has been investigated for a lack of financial accountability.

One of the more disturbing trends re TBN, too, is that it is becoming a fairly major player in the "translator godcasting" market--specifically, TBN has been buying up thousands of TV and FM translator licenses (licenses for low-powered stations that are designed to boost signal in a weak-signal area) to set up massive nationwide "godcasting" networks via a loophole that allows nonprofit stations to set up translator stations literally across the country from their home station in some cases.  A preliminary search of RECnet's databases show that Trinity Broadcasting--through itself and nine other DBA names--has licensed over 589 radio and television stations across the country, nearly all of which are TV translator stations for flagship station KTBN.

If you'd like quotes from the persons on TBN, there is probably no better source exposing them  than Deception In The Church; I'd start with the main "word-faith" section, and then check individually by preacher.  

Here are a few sites, admittedly several operating from apologetics standpoints, that have quotes that you may find useful:
Quotes from multiple preachers on TBN
audio clips from various preachers on TBN
quotes from various "name it and claim it" preachers, including on TBN (includes note of Paul Yonggi Cho who has been linked with Rick Warren)
List of quotes from TBN preachers
notes on how Paul and Jan Crouch are explicitly pente dominionists
quote from Paula White's church (Paula White is a lesser-known "name it and claim it" promoter)
More  quotes from TBN preachers specifically in connection with "spiritual warfare" movements

I would also recommend reading my essay on pente dominion theology and on Cho and spiritually abusive tactics within "deliverance ministry" groups, as all of these articles will complement the quotes you will find and give some backgrounder--and the quotes will also help you understand just how far down the rabbit hole the world described in those articles is.

(Yup, I'm a survivor of that.  's why I raise cain about it now. :3)

by dogemperor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 07:58:34 AM EST
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I address this to everyone but especially Dog Emperor since you have a lot of knowledge of these groups. We talk a lot about the leaders of this movement and how they're pulling a giant con to gain money and power. But maybe we need to spend more time trying to figure out what makes so many people fall for this stupidity. Anyone can be conned by a smart con man. But I've watched these shows, and even gone to some services. The con game they're playing isn't that clever. I sincerely do not understand how someone not born in to this kind of church can be so easily fooled by this nonsense. I know I sound smug, but that's not my intent. I genuinely don't get it. And I wonder if any of you have done any study of what draws people in to these abusive, crooked and greedy churches. If we better understood what motivates the flock, we'd be much more effective in fighting the religious right.

by Dave on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:55:09 PM EST
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I realize this response will get under the skin of many "people of faith" on this site, but he DID ask the question. Let's face it, it's the obvious answer...

World's oldest profession: prostitution
World's oldest con: religion
(Note that many ancient religions combined the two...)

My personal view is that anyone suceptible to the promises of faith and religion (never die, pray for money, etc) are more gullible by definition, so are easier marks. Skeptics are (by definition) more skeptical...

If you believe that God speaks thru someone (truly believe), then anything they say is gospel. Including the "send me your money" parts. Amplify that over the world's largest broadcast network and you'll find plenty of those who will buy it, hook, line and sinker. This is another reason the Crouch's media empire is so potentially damaging and dangerous - it's a way-too-efficient transfer of wealth mechanism from some of the poorest on the planet to so VERY few and VERY rich.

by joelp on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 02:26:48 PM EST
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by Dave on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 03:28:43 PM EST
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Probably the best way to find out how they sucker people in is to study the techniques and tactics used by coercive religious groups in general.  (One may as well ask how people get recruited into, say, Scientology.)

I've written on this fairly extensively in my diary, but in particular I'll refer you to these posts:

Dominionist groups as coercive religious groups?
Dominionism and coercive tactics, part 1 (notes on how dominionist groups often cross the line to spiritual abuse)
Dominionism and coercive tactics, part 2 (direct comparison between "deliverance ministry"--often promoted by TBN's preachers--and Scientology)

by dogemperor on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 08:30:46 AM EST
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The problem is that these deal with the what rather than the why. I know what their tactics are, though you're far more knowledgeable about the specifics. What I'm trying to figure out is why these tactics work. Why would people run toward, instead of away from, such abusive churches. It's sort of like the two sides of a disease. You're telling me all about the germ that causes it, but I want to learn about the immunity of the host. In other words, what makes a person more or less susceptible to this germ?

by Dave on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 03:07:00 PM EST
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One interesting theory put forth by the author of this book is that those with the "gullibility gene" (my term) succeeded and evolved over the millennia, because primitives willing to buy the moralistic "do good or get zapped by god" tended to get along better and prosper, and those more anarchically-inclined wiped themselves out.

Whether it's an actual part of the brain, or just an inherited tendency (nature is full of animal examples of inherited vs. learned behavior), it may have helped us get this far, but it may also be our downfall. It's much easier to kill everyone who disagrees with your myths and beliefs now - and I mean EVERYONE, not just those guys in the next village.

Following this theory, skeptics and atheists are no different from homosexuals (or color-blindness, etc.) in that they represent a consistent genetic mutation. They don't "believe" because they can't.

by joelp on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:40:24 PM EST
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I recommend Dom Stasi's excellent essay, Moral Victory: Religious Exploitation, and the New American Creed

This is a brief excerpt from a longer piece that is well worth anyone's time.

Firmly ensconced in HBO's fledgling engineering department, and with our early successes a matter of technical record, I suddenly found myself being invited to speak at seminars on how to do this TV from space thing.
[...]
But it was a tutorial for TV execs in the deep South that would remain an event apart from all the others. Though I was a speaker, I was still new to the entertainment business, so I knew no one in attendance. But my talk had gone well, the college teaching experience was paying off, so there would be no problem finding eager dinner companions among so large an audience.

Descending the podium, I had noticed but a single empty chair in the entire room. Taking it, I found myself at a table of strangely egalitarian folk. They were gentle in manner. They welcomed me expansively. They introduced themselves. To my delight, they spoke less of arcane technology than they did of their fellow man and their responsibilities toward humanity that such technology could help them fulfill.

I listened, interested, noting that they all had that sort of deliberate not quite real Dixie accent that I'd learned to recognize in actors when playing Southern characters before the camera. But why here? Their names - remarkable in retrospect, but hardly noteworthy at the time - were Jimmy Swaggart, Paul Crouch, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, and a guy named Billy Batts. I was present, I know now, at American Televangelism's Big Bang, or if you prefer, its Genesis. Big league Fundamentalist Christian TV Evangelism was born at that table that day.
[...]
Another dinner companion that fateful night was Paul Crouch. Like Robertson and Jesus, Crouch, the televangelist, and story telling founder of Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN), started out with virtually nothing. Using a rented studio in southern California and a set made from his living room furniture and shower curtain, Crouch went on the air from Burbank. He claims that later, in 1975 to be exact, he was visited by God one night. God projected a map of the United States on Paul's ceiling, and told him about satellite technology. God went on to tell Paul Crouch how the satellite (No, not the moon. God forgot to put batteries in that satellite. We're talking modern here.) would allow him to broadcast to all those cities all across America.

Thanks to God's little slide show on Paul Crouch's ceiling, Paul would have no further need of his living room sofa and shower curtain as a set. In fact, today he sits upon a golden throne in a velvet-curtained studio, all of it generously funded by the $126,000,000.00 in annual donations from his faithful viewers in satellite television land. I often wonder why Paul Crouch came to that seminar at all. Why listen to dopes like me babble on when God Himself had already told Paul about satellite television? Funny how Crouch never mentioned his nocturnal visit from God. It would have been great dinner conversation. Because, except for that smelly guy I always see at the corner of Hollywood and Vine, I've never met anyone who's been visited by God.
[...]
Bush's style appeals to what the TV ministers call their "Value Voters." So, let the exit polls be damned, the Evangelicals carried the day for their poster boy. If they didn't, they at least gave the Republican crooks who own this president a plausible vehicle to which they might attribute the otherwise inexplicable vote counts in this year's national election. They have changed our country into something its founders never intended it to be, a virtual theocracy, and they did it through abuse of the very system first designed to prevent it.



by moiv on Thu Jun 15, 2006 at 09:18:13 PM EST

It's worth reinforcing the point that TBN is building a massive stockpile of liquid assest. They currently have over $400 million in cash, short-term, and long-term financial instruments, and are raking in an annual profit that's over $70 million per year (on an annual revenue of less than $200 million).

No other charity I know of operates in this manner, and it begs the question "why are they doing it?".  It's not as though they are taking their foot off the gas with their fund raising.  Recent newsletters are still urging their "faithful" to dig a little deeper and still complaining that only a small portion of their viewers give them any money at all.

Of course, with their board of directors stuffed with close friends and relatives, the chances of any real financial accountability are nil and as far as I can find out, they have yet to give any reason for their amassing of liquid assets on this scale.

by tacitus on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 03:06:07 PM EST


I don't know about the pink wigged one.  She is both funny and pathetic (shrewd?)

In 2004 I was having a business lunch in a restaurant in Newport Beach.  In comes Paul with a small entourage and sits in the table next to ours.

His "bling" included a tacky diamond studded Rolex and gold rings.  He ordered Crystal champagne (this  is lunch!) and acted as if he was some sort of royalty.

I wonder what "god" this is a man of.

by Shockwave on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 11:55:52 AM EST


In Loving Memory Of Bonnie Parker, I'm writing this in regards to the letter written to Kenneth and Gloria Copeland located at http://sis359.blogspot.com/ I wrote the letter with hopes of someone passing it along to the Copelands. Comments the letter has brought is overwhelming. My heart goes out to all who has suffered any type of a loss regarding Prosperity Gospel. Several times over the past few years, I felt that there was not anything I could do, or say that would make any difference in the way people see Prosperity Gospel. I was battling, and still am, a multimillion dollar organization for answers, I had never felt so alone. Now after receiving hundreds of supportive emails, I feel I have a army beside us. Some have requested a more detailed accounting of the last few months mom was with us, the following is merely a forth of the story. Our thanks go out to you all. No words could describe just how I felt at that moment. I promised her she would not be left alone, yet here we was in the hospital emergency room lobby, and she was somewhere behind the locked double doors alone. Hour after hour passed , a nurse finally appeared motioning for us to follow her. Seeing the pain in her blue eyes assured me this was no dream, this was it, the moment she knew would come someday but hoped never would. The nurse carefully pulled moms gown back revealing a sight that would be with me the rest of my life. I could hear the doctor asking questions directed to me and my father such as "When did she have a Mastectomy", and "How long has she been this way?". My father replied" She hasn't had any surgery" this answer brought looks of disbelief from the doctor and nurses surrounding us. I realized then exactly they were thinking, they actually thought we denied her medical attention. Their expressions were convicting us without any reasonable doubt. Her left breast was completely eaten away, leaving only a large whole where it used to be. Reality had hit me all at once, our fears were confirmed she was not going to be with us much longer, and we were being blamed for the condition she was in. Mom would not let us bath her even toward the end, she had led us to believe it was due to the weight loss, she didn't want us seeing her frail body. Truth was she didn't want us to see her chest. We were escorted back out to the lobby so they could resume their evaluation. Result of each test came back just as we had expected, It was to late nothing medically could be done. The following day's brought more criticism from the hospital staff, finally I had endured all I could, it was time they knew the truth. I know it was hard to believe we knew nothing about the cancer that had consumed almost her entire body, but that was the truth. And they were going to hear me out no matter how long it would take. I felt most to blame, I was her daughter, I should have seen this coming. But my father, they was not going to direct this blame towards him any longer. Come shift change I walked down to the nurses station where one group were leaving and the other arriving. Asking for a moment of their time, proved easier than I thought. As they began to move closer, I began to take them back in time where I believed it all began. Starting with her right eye in which she had lost the ability to open. This was the first sign something was wrong. Mom insisting day after day it was merely a sinus infection and nothing more. The mention of a doctor was unacceptable, she made that clear. Her eye would remain this way a few day's then become normal again. Twice more her eye would fail her before closing permanently, refusing medical attention each time. As time passed she began loosing weight rapidly, eating very little, and staying in bed mostly all day. We were fighting a loosing battle and there was no end in sight. She was dieing and there was nothing we could do. Why was she doing this to herself and us? The time came she could no longer stay alone, someone had to be there at her side at all times. My dad worked most every day so mom was with me most all the time. Each day she became weaker. I bought a baby monitor and put by her bed and mine so I could hear her during the night. I dreaded the night for I didn't know what the morning would bring. I had to get up before my children because if she had passed on I wanted to be the one to find her not them. The fear of her dieing and us not having a clue of what from, or why, was the reality we faced each day. My concern had evolved into anger, she was refusing medical attention and putting us though a living hell, why? There was nothing legally we could do, but watch her die. Once we could legally step in and force her to get in the ambulance waiting outside my door, she was probably only hours away from death. Still refusing and begging not be taken they loaded her in and drove away. I believe she knew she wouldn't return, deep down we all knew. But there was always that single ray of hope, and no one was going to put that out. We had spent the last few months surrounded by uncertainty, fear, and anger, maybe now at least we would know physically what was wrong. But why she made that fatal decision to refuse any type of medical help was still a mystery. In my eyes she committed suicide, I was going to have to live with that horrible fact. Nothing made since, would it ever? There was not a dry eye in that nurses station that evening after I concluded my memories of the last few months, but in their eyes we were no longer guilty of neglect. Once all the test results were back and we were faced with the fact there was nothing the hospital could do we had at make a decision regarding where to take her to live out what little time she had left. I could not take her back home with me, my kids had been through enough. Southern Oaks nursing home was only five miles from my house, the following two moths this would become our home. The staff took us in as if we were family. We owe the last few months of mom's life to the staff of Southern Oaks, we will forever be grateful to them all. Mom from this point on had her good day's and bad. October 19, 2004 she was finally called home. All day her blood pressure had continued to fall, her breathing had became labored, and she was totally unresponsive. Around ten o'clock that night dad told me to go home for a while, I didn't want to but he and my husband insisted. She passed away a few minutes after I left. For the rest of the story simply type , Kenneth Copeland, Bonnie Parker in your search engine. Thank you, The Family of Bonnie Parker

by kbeach on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 02:55:59 PM EST

In Loving Memory Of Bonnie Parker, I'm writing this in regards to the letter written to Kenneth and Gloria Copeland located at http://sis359.blogspot.com/ I wrote the letter with hopes of someone passing it along to the Copelands. Comments the letter has brought is overwhelming. My heart goes out to all who has suffered any type of a loss regarding Prosperity Gospel. Several times over the past few years, I felt that there was not anything I could do, or say that would make any difference in the way people see Prosperity Gospel. I was battling, and still am, a multimillion dollar organization for answers, I had never felt so alone. Now after receiving hundreds of supportive emails, I feel I have a army beside us. Some have requested a more detailed accounting of the last few months mom was with us, the following is merely a forth of the story. Our thanks go out to you all. No words could describe just how I felt at that moment. I promised her she would not be left alone, yet here we was in the hospital emergency room lobby, and she was somewhere behind the locked double doors alone. Hour after hour passed , a nurse finally appeared motioning for us to follow her. Seeing the pain in her blue eyes assured me this was no dream, this was it, the moment she knew would come someday but hoped never would. The nurse carefully pulled moms gown back revealing a sight that would be with me the rest of my life. I could hear the doctor asking questions directed to me and my father such as "When did she have a Mastectomy", and "How long has she been this way?". My father replied" She hasn't had any surgery" this answer brought looks of disbelief from the doctor and nurses surrounding us. I realized then exactly they were thinking, they actually thought we denied her medical attention. Their expressions were convicting us without any reasonable doubt. Her left breast was completely eaten away, leaving only a large whole where it used to be. Reality had hit me all at once, our fears were confirmed she was not going to be with us much longer, and we were being blamed for the condition she was in. Mom would not let us bath her even toward the end, she had led us to believe it was due to the weight loss, she didn't want us seeing her frail body. Truth was she didn't want us to see her chest. We were escorted back out to the lobby so they could resume their evaluation. Result of each test came back just as we had expected, It was to late nothing medically could be done. The following day's brought more criticism from the hospital staff, finally I had endured all I could, it was time they knew the truth. I know it was hard to believe we knew nothing about the cancer that had consumed almost her entire body, but that was the truth. And they were going to hear me out no matter how long it would take. I felt most to blame, I was her daughter, I should have seen this coming. But my father, they was not going to direct this blame towards him any longer. Come shift change I walked down to the nurses station where one group were leaving and the other arriving. Asking for a moment of their time, proved easier than I thought. As they began to move closer, I began to take them back in time where I believed it all began. Starting with her right eye in which she had lost the ability to open. This was the first sign something was wrong. Mom insisting day after day it was merely a sinus infection and nothing more. The mention of a doctor was unacceptable, she made that clear. Her eye would remain this way a few day's then become normal again. Twice more her eye would fail her before closing permanently, refusing medical attention each time. As time passed she began loosing weight rapidly, eating very little, and staying in bed mostly all day. We were fighting a loosing battle and there was no end in sight. She was dieing and there was nothing we could do. Why was she doing this to herself and us? The time came she could no longer stay alone, someone had to be there at her side at all times. My dad worked most every day so mom was with me most all the time. Each day she became weaker. I bought a baby monitor and put by her bed and mine so I could hear her during the night. I dreaded the night for I didn't know what the morning would bring. I had to get up before my children because if she had passed on I wanted to be the one to find her not them. The fear of her dieing and us not having a clue of what from, or why, was the reality we faced each day. My concern had evolved into anger, she was refusing medical attention and putting us though a living hell, why? There was nothing legally we could do, but watch her die. Once we could legally step in and force her to get in the ambulance waiting outside my door, she was probably only hours away from death. Still refusing and begging not be taken they loaded her in and drove away. I believe she knew she wouldn't return, deep down we all knew. But there was always that single ray of hope, and no one was going to put that out. We had spent the last few months surrounded by uncertainty, fear, and anger, maybe now at least we would know physically what was wrong. But why she made that fatal decision to refuse any type of medical help was still a mystery. In my eyes she committed suicide, I was going to have to live with that horrible fact. Nothing made since, would it ever? There was not a dry eye in that nurses station that evening after I concluded my memories of the last few months, but in their eyes we were no longer guilty of neglect. Once all the test results were back and we were faced with the fact there was nothing the hospital could do we had at make a decision regarding where to take her to live out what little time she had left. I could not take her back home with me, my kids had been through enough. Southern Oaks nursing home was only five miles from my house, the following two moths this would become our home. The staff took us in as if we were family. We owe the last few months of mom's life to the staff of Southern Oaks, we will forever be grateful to them all. Mom from this point on had her good day's and bad. October 19, 2004 she was finally called home. All day her blood pressure had continued to fall, her breathing had became labored, and she was totally unresponsive. Around ten o'clock that night dad told me to go home for a while, I didn't want to but he and my husband insisted. She passed away a few minutes after I left. For the rest of the story simply type , Kenneth Copeland, Bonnie Parker in your search engine. Thank you, The Family of Bonnie Parker

by kbeach on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 03:04:57 PM EST


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Invoking Intolerance: Religious Right Throws Fit Over Islamic Prayer In Virginia
Today an imam delivered the opening prayer before the Virginia House of Delegates - and once again the Religious Right is having kittens. Three......
By Rob Boston (1 comment)
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and John Hagee Share Stage as Biden Arrives in Israel
Yesterday (Monday) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to hundreds of Christian Zionists in Jerusalem at an event organized by John Hagee and Christians......
By Rachel Tabachnick (6 comments)
When the Truth Is Shown to Be Lies
It's been a year since President Obama lifted the Bush administration's restrictions on the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.  Nevertheless, religious opponents......
By Frank Cocozzelli (7 comments)
Repent Amarillo's Spiritual Mapping and Vigilantism
Repent Amarillo, a Texas ministry which refers to itself as an "Army of God,"  is making news for its spiritual warfare and vigilante tactics.......
By Rachel Tabachnick (17 comments)
Whale Tale: AFA Staffer Says Bible Mandates Death For SeaWorld Orca
On Feb. 24, a tragedy occurred at SeaWorld in Orlando, Fla. A six-ton killer whale known as Tillikum pulled trainer Dawn Brancheau underwater to......
By Rob Boston (5 comments)
A Call to Censor the Religion Blogosphere
Some time ago, I filled out a survey from the Social Science Research Council (SSRC) in connection with an academic study they were doing......
By Frederick Clarkson (8 comments)
Prayer Warriors of the New Apostolic Reformation Getting Some Exposure
Yesterday Alternet published an article by Bill Berkowitz including an interview with me about the New Apostolic Reformation, or the "largest religious movement you......
By Rachel Tabachnick (8 comments)
Role Models of Remonstrance
I recently called for mainstream Catholics to offer remonstrance -- an earnest presentation of reasons for opposition or grievance against the reactionaries now fomenting......
By Frank Cocozzelli (8 comments)

Publicizing the existence of the NAR -- some suggestions
Some regular columnists here on Talk to Action have complained about difficulties in getting the mass media to notice the existence of a new but rapidly growing - and already highly influential - religious......
Diane Vera (2 comments)
School Board, State and school prayer
Now both the Polk County School Board and the state of Florida are trying to push prayers in the schools! ......
ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
City in trouble for sectarian prayers
The city of Lakeland, Florida has been challenged by Atheists of Florida and the local synagogue for having sectarian prayers before public meetings. ......
ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
The Blind Side's Blind Spot
The hit movie, The Blind Side, is all about the Christian values of being your "brother's keeper." Or is it? ......
John Sheirer (3 comments)
When Christianity is Un-American
Just thought readers might be interested in linking to this article at The Yurica Report: ......
TMurray (1 comment)
Violence increasing
I think people should read this article- and realize that the dominionists are becoming more and more violent.  If something isn't done to counter their hate, this country is in deep trouble! ......
ArchaeoBob (3 comments)
His "Freedom" Means Denying Yours - With Your Own Taxes
Referring to recent political skirmishes over the rights of gays and lesbians to marry, Cardinal Francis George called five rocks thrown at empty buildings and the theft of a few lawn signs "quasi-fascism."  He......
bettyclermont (0 comments)
Rome has spoken....Man the lifeboats!
When Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope Benedict XVI in 2005, it was widely reported that he preferred a smaller, more obedient flock in his Church. Once again, he is proving those reports to......
bettyclermont (0 comments)
Your children will be forced to shower with gays! (says the AFA)
I've just received the following American Family Association email, which claims that the Obama administration has a nefarious plan to force gays and straights in the US military to shower together ! Donald Wildmon......
Bruce Wilson (3 comments)
Pope John Paul II's Penitential Practices: The Opus Dei Connection
We are pleased to once again welcome theologian William Lindsey as a guest front pager. This piece is crossposted from the new progressive Catholic group blog, The Open Tabernacle: Here Comes Everybody. -- FC......
William Lindsey (0 comments)
WallBuilders, Inc., Promoting a dominionist "Christian Nation"
Cherry Hill Seminary Supports Patrick McCollum in 9th Circuit Case Against California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation http://snipurl.com/u8kcj ......
Dragonzmajick (2 comments)
Roeder verdict sparks fears of more anti-abortion violence
cross-posted at dKos Scott Roeder is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison for the murder of George Tiller.  At the very least, he'll by 75 years old before he can......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)
The dark underside of the Latter Rain--a walkaway's view
cross-posted at dKos I read Bruce Wilson's posts on dKos and Talk To Action regarding the "Pray For Newark" initiative with particular alarm.  While Pray for Newark appears to espouse an admirable goal--community empowerment--it's......
Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
Bishops as Provocateurs
In a thinly-veiled reference to the campaign of President Barack Obama, Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, charged that Americans are "embracing a totalitarianism which masks itself as the 'hope,' the 'future' of......
bettyclermont (0 comments)
The Vatican v. Children
Yesterday was not a good day for children seeking justice from the Roman Catholic Church. The internet brought the following news: ......
bettyclermont (0 comments)
Religious bigots control supermarket chain
Well, they've won again.  The religious bigots have forced Publix Supermarkets into bowing to their wishes. ......
ArchaeoBob (11 comments)
Manhattan Declaration is to Theology what Fox is to Journalism
The December 20, 2009, New York Times ran a lengthy article by David D. Kirkpatrick about Robert P. George, "The Conservative-Christian Big Thinker." The occasion was release of George's "Manhattan Declaration" signed by the......
bettyclermont (2 comments)
Merry Freakin' Christmas: I'm Taking Your Stuff, and you Can't Stop Me!
A humorous look at the larger implications of a seemingly harmless holiday tradition. ......
John Sheirer (1 comment)
Lou Engle, September 25, 2007, Los Angeles: "Holywood"
[This is a partial transcription of a sermon/speech Lou Engle, Founder of TheCall gave on September 25, 2007, in Los Angeles. The full sermon is slightly over 63 minutes. This partial transcript is of......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Tweet complains my videos of his "Hitler/Lenin/Mao" speech are unfair
It's gratifying to know "America's most powerful pastor" seems to have taken notice of my videos, showcasing Rick Warren's 2005 speech at California's Anaheim Angels Stadium, during which Warren outlined a "stealth" program to......
Bruce Wilson (4 comments)
Blurring Reproductive Rights and the Religious Right
The principle of the Hyde Amendment, which restricted federal funds from paying for abortion back in 1976 -- is now seen as an acceptable, "abortion neutral" position for the prochoice Democratic Party. How did......
Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Calls on Followers To Be Dedicated as Followers of Lenin and Mao
[note: for more recent news on Rick Warren, see Rick Warren's Dissertation Advisor Leads Network Promoting Uganda Anti-Gay Bill] Video, below contains audio recording, photos, and transcript from Rick Warren's April 17, 2005 speech......
Bruce Wilson (6 comments)
Julius Oyet Touts The College of Prayer
A new Talk To Action story identifies Apostle and bishop Julius Oyet as a major player in the recent effort in the Ugandan parliament to pass a draconian anti-gay bill. In this video [transcript......
Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Mark Silk on the Hagee / Rodriguez Entente
Mark Silk, at Spiritual Politics has picked up on my notice of the Hagee-Rodriguez embrace and zeroes in on what's certainly one of the most notable aspects: "The key thing to understand about the......
Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Inscribing Christian Values in our Children Before Birth?
Following the evolution of evangelical discourse as it re-defines homosexuality as evidence of "fallen creation", Terri Murray looks at how the Christian right have shifted their rhetoric to adapt to empirical research showing that......
TMurray (1 comment)
US News & World Report Showcases Creationist Ray Comfort
US News and World Report's Dan Gilgoff has charitably provided evangelist Ray Comfort a media platform in the form of a US News & World "exclusive" through which Comfort defends his efforts to distribute,......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Atheist billboard in Central Florida
The organization "Atheists of Florida" sponsored a billboard promoting atheism in Lakeland, Florida.  I, however, have some concerns. ......
ArchaeoBob (4 comments)
Transcript: Billy Graham and Richard Nixon, February 21, 1973
The following is my own transcript of a 20 minute phone conversation between Richard Nixon and Billy Graham, on February 23, 1973. As far as I am aware this is the only publicly available,......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Rifqa Bary being sent back to Ohio now
Well, there's a change in this case.  After the judge gets immigration documents and so on from the parents, he will send her back. ......
ArchaeoBob (2 comments)

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