Christian Cadre's Layman: 'A Whopper of Being Wrong' (Part 4)
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 03:20:14 AM EST
Nothing goes with the Tyndale House comic version of Left Behind like a big, greasy Whopper. Have it your way, Layman!

Talk to Action's three-part series on the Left Behind: Eternal Forces video game, in which Christian militias wage physical and spiritual warfare using the power of prayer and modern military weaponry to convert New Yorkers and kill those who resist, has set forth some provocative positions and boldly stated views. And for that, a web site on Christian apologetics, called Christian Cadre, has organized a campaign against Talk to Action and its series. In this piece, Talk to Action researches and rebuts criticism from the leader of this campaign, a blogger who uses the handle Layman. But first, let's review how the series has been received elsewhere in the media.

"Sit down, pour yourself a cup of Holy-CRAP-These-People-Are-Insane and read this," advises Father Dan, in a post titled "Schlock Fiction Left Behind Series Now a Bigoted Video Game." The San Francisco Chronicle's Mark Morford read it and spread it through his column, "Jesus Loves a Machine Gun."

And the series has been given major exposure throughout the blogosphere by Crooks and Liars -- which has prominently promoted all three parts - as well as The Agonist, Air America's "State of Belief," BlondeSense, BoingBoing, Chuck Currie, The Center for American Progress, RJ Eskow at Huffington Post, Majority Report Radio, Pam's House Blend, Pandagon, PublicEnemy.com, Slice of Laodicea, WeaselWeek, and three "Daily Dish" items by Time Magazine's Andrew Sullivan.

As expected, the series has drawn some public opposition from folks who believe the real problem is not with the horrific real-time strategy game that lets children kill New Yorkers, but the messenger. Chiefly, there is the campaign by the conservative blog Christian Cadre, led by Layman. Layman has posted comments on Wikipedia -- the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit -- and on dozens of web sites, charging Talk to Action with inaccurate and deceptive statements. On Christian Cadre, Layman goes further, charging Talk to Action with creating an inflammatory "anti-Christian right hit piece" that spreads "misrepresentation," "hysterical claims," "a mess of lies," "outright lies," "hysterical lies," and "slander" that is "flat out wrong," "way wrong," "a whopper of being wrong," and "wrong in such a way that it conveniently reinforces the hatred so many people apparently have towards Christians."

Writing for Christian Cadre, Layman stakes his core claim that Talk to Action purposely misled readers by reporting that Left Behind: Eternal Forces sends children on a virtual mission to convert or kill New Yorkers:

Talk2Action claimed that the game had players kill anyone who refused to convert. That is not just not accurate, it is a slur. Talk2Action focused on the why of the killing, not the who. Yes, those who are being killed are non-Christains [sic]. But that's kind of a by-product of being servants of the anti-Christ, don't you think? No one is killed because they are a Jew, because they are a Catholic, because they are a Buddhist. You are only "fair game" if you are member [sic] of the anti-Christ's army and are trying to murder Christians and unleash demons on earth.

That is the core difference and it is more than an exaggeration, it is flat out wrong. Way wrong. A whopper of being wrong. And wrong in such a way that it conveniently reinforces the hatred so many people apparently have towards Christians.

As I have said, there are plenty of nonChristians in the game. Probably the majority are not. And you do not kill them. You try and convert them. You lose if you kill them.


Layman repeatedly states on Wikipedia that his core concern is Talk to Action's report that the Christian militia - called the Tribulation Force in the Left Behind novels, graphic novels, and video game -- uses the power of prayer and modern military weapons to conduct physical and spiritual warfare, which means converting or killing New Yorkers.

"It is inaccurate, untrue, not factual, to say the game calls for people to `convert or kill.' That's simply anti-Christian propoganda [sic]," writes Layman. "The secular reviews by people who have played the game completely contradict the nonsense espoused by Talk2Action."

Enough. Let's go fishing for facts - in the very waters where Layman claims to have caught his "whopper". Let's see if we can catch a real whopper. Layman has searched Technorati.com (a web site that aggregates information about blogs) for days, he says, posting on dozens of blogs that Talk to Action has spread inaccurate information, and this is his key contention, his claim to fame. Layman thought he hooked the big one, and he's bragged to everyone about it for days. Let's see what kind of whopper he really reeled into the Christian Cadre boat.

Layman asked for reviews by credible people who have actually played Left Behind: Eternal Forces, and which document the "convert or kill" claim. Here are two.

Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times:

'The Christians outflanked me and started firing, immediately taking out several of my nurses'

Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein played Left Behind: Eternal Forces against Left Behind Games President and co-founder Jeffrey Frichner at the recent Electronic Entertainment Expo at the Los Angeles Convention Center. Mr. Stein published a review of the game on May 16, 2006. Mr. Stein describes how a Christian paramilitary force armed with modern military weapons ambushed and slaughtered unarmed nurses - nurses on a UN peacekeeping mission, who were never given a chance to convert -- on New York's 6th Avenue:

The first thing Frichner did was to have one of his Christian characters approach a civilian lazily walking down a midtown Manhattan street in the middle of the battle over Earth and stand next to him for two seconds, which instantly converted him.

I did not think converting would be as easy for my side. I was going to have to spend long minutes challenging people to guitar contests that I very well might lose.

The good thing was, however, that as Satan, I of course had the United Nations on my side. As my peacekeeping Hummer and some of my followers rolled down Sixth Avenue, the Christians outflanked me and started firing, immediately taking out several of my nurses.

The apocalypse, I was learning, was a good excuse for Christians to just go nuts and unload a lot of pent-up stuff.

This first-person account by a Los Angeles Times journalist who played the game against the company's founder describes a scenario that is neither an act of conversion nor self-defense; this is an ambush and annihilation of nurses by Christian militia forces on New York's 6th Avenue.

But Layman said, "You are only `fair game' if you are member [sic] of the anti-Christ's army and are trying to murder Christians and unleash demons on earth." So how about nurses with a U.N. peacekeeping force walking down 6th Avenue? Are they necessarily trying to murder Christians?

Layman said that if you shoot people, you lose. But the game's creator played the game, ambushed and shot down nurses, and won, reports the Los Angeles Times. Was that a fluke, an exception to the rule, or was that an application of the rule that, in the terms of the video game - like the Left Behind novels that inspired it, and the Left Behind comics that inform it--New Yorkers cannot remain neutral, and they cannot even serve God as practicing Jews, Catholics, Buddhists, Muslims, or Hindus? No, the game's designers declare: ultimately, there is no such thing as a neutral ground. One is with the Tribulation Force or against it. The refusal to actively support it means ultimately, in the designer's terms, that one opposes it, and is therefore fair game.

Greg Bauman's Review for WarCry Network:

'The only alternative to this is outright killing them'

Greg Bauman of WarCry Network also played the real-time strategy (RTS) game Left Behind: Eternal Forces (LB:EF) and said that unlike other violent wartime game simulations ("sims"), this game poses a disturbing moral quandary. The moral quandary is, Mr. Bauman concluded, that this game is about converting or killing New Yorkers:

The heart and soul of any RTS game is the real-time combat system, and sure enough, LBG's experience pulls through to create a very compelling schema. Similar to other wartime RTS sims, LB:EF makes use of military units like apache helicopters, tanks, footmen and snipers.

One thing many gamers will likely find disturbing about Left Behind, though, is the black-and-white polarization of good and evil portrayed. The faithful are good, and the undecided are (decidedly) bad or evil. The only way to accomplish anything positive in the game is to 'convert' nonbelievers into faithful believers, and the only alternative to this is outright killing them.

"Finally, visit the game's site itself and review the rather specific description of the game. There is no reference to killing those who do not convert to Christianity," Layman has urged on Wikipedia.

Okay, let's go there right now. Let's go right to the official Left Behind Games site, straight to its Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page, and get right to the key questions that it poses, and see how the game's creators answer:

Does anyone get killed in the game?

People do perish in our game just like some do in the book series. This is a real strategy game, so the gamer controls his forces just like you do in chess game [sic]."...

Are guns used by Christians against non-Christians? Why or why not?

The storyline in the game begins just after the Rapture has occurred - when all adult Christians, all infants, and many children were instantly swept home to Heaven and off the Earth by God. The remaining population - those who were left behind - are then poised to make a decision at some point. They cannot remain neutral. Their choice is to either join the AntiChrist - which is an imposturous one world government seeking peace for all of mankind, or they may join the Tribulation Force - which seeks to expose the truth and defend themselves against the forces of the AntiChrist."

Here you have it. The game's creators say, in its web-based marketing material, that the New Yorkers who populate their game "cannot remain neutral." They must choose either Christ or the AntiChrist. That is, they must choose Christ (give up their Judaism, Catholicism, liberalism, Hinduism, et cetera, and be converted to a particular brand of conservative Evangelical Christianity, as narrowly described in the Left Behind novels and depicted in the Left Behind graphic novels) or... die. Be killed. Be taken out on the streets of New York with extreme prejudice.

The aim of the game is to convert or eliminate all your opponents, according to the game's designers. That's how the game's designers describe the game, and that's how they play the game. To win, a player must convert or eliminate all opponents. And by the game's logic, those who refuse to convert are necessarily opponents -- there is no neutral ground, say the designers. The common sense of it says that if you are a Jew, like the Los Angeles Times reporter Joel Stein, then you must convert into a messianic Jew, like Left Behind Games co-founder Jeffrey Frichner, or the "Christian" Tribulation Force will regard you as a servant of the AntiChrist. Buddhists? Same thing. Hindus? Get in line. Catholics? The Left Behind novels teach that Catholics will not be raptured, and Unitarians can just count on being left behind. Gays? Straighten up and convert, the Left Behind product line teaches, or prepared to meet thy God Squad. Lesbian Wiccans? End of the line, says the Left Behind orthodoxy. The video game exists within the context of the Left Behind novels and comics, and all of these products indoctrinate children about what their lives might look like in the End Times - which look like present-day New York. If in the End Times, a practicing Jew, Catholic, Buddhist, moderate, mainstream Christian, gay man or lesbian, secularist, or pagan, refuses to join the "Christian" Tribulation Force, then by the game's logic, your refusal to convert means that you have necessarily chosen to serve the AntiChrist.

The player must maintain a certain level of strength - measured in "spirit points" - to proceed with the military and religious mission, described on the Left Behind Games site as "physical and spiritual warfare" with "modern military weapons," such as "battle tanks" used by "Special Forces."

When Talk to Action posted The Purpose Driven Life Takers (Part 1) on Memorial Day 2006, the following description was included:

If you happen to blow away a neutral party - and collateral damage is inevitable in the End of Days - then you will lose "Spirit Points". But you can power back up with merely a brief timeout for prayer, or by converting one of New York's terror-stricken citizens.
That's accurate. The description is based on a Los Angeles Times article that is linked from Part 1 in this series. This is the same article that talks about demons feasting on Christians. It is the same article in which the dual nature of the religious and military mission is made explicit:
"The reason that I think this game has a chance is that it's not particularly preachy," said Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities. "I will say some of the dialogue is pretty lame -- people saying, 'Praise the Lord' after they blow away the bad guys. I think they're overdoing it a bit."
The same Los Angeles Times article makes clear that the Christian militias do more than merely defend themselves. They also attack:
The game is set in New York City, where the Tribulation Force clashes with the Antichrist's Global Community Peacekeepers in a tale that makes the United Nations a tool for Satan. Each side attempts to recruit lost souls in the battle for the city. "Eternal Forces" is a so-called real-time strategy game -- players act as battlefield generals for their virtual armies, deciding where to place units and when to order attacks or retreats.
And if the Christian militia attacks and kills unarmed nurses on a UN peacekeeping mission, slaughtering them on 6th Avenue without giving them a chance to convert, then so be it. That's how the game was designed; that's how the game's creator plays it.

The Christian militia slaughters unarmed nurses on a peacekeeping mission without giving them a chance to convert, and what happens? Their spiritual vitality is sapped, but that is easily restored by a moment for prayer. And then the military and religious mission continues toward the only possible outcome in the ultimate battle between the forces of absolute good and absolute evil: every New Yorker who is "neutral" must choose to convert. Or die. Be killed. Be taken out by Special Forces with modern military weapons and battle tanks. Be piled up like cord wood - cold, dead bodies piled up in Times Square, in Chinatown, in Harlem, and downtown, where the World Trade Center towers used to stand. Bodies that are not removed for a decent burial - that's a game feature, folks, festering bodies piling up in New York City's streets, to teach children a moral lesson about what it looks like when you are living in the End Times - times that look very much like present-day New York. This game indoctrinates children to look at present-day New York, and present-day New Yorkers, and consider that in the End Times, which look just like present-day New York, they will have to go out and do some killing, a deadly deed to defend their one true creed.

Pray. Shoot. Kill. Pray. Convert or eliminate all your opponents. "Praise the Lord!" Anyone who does not convert must be an opponent. The game's designers declare: "They cannot remain neutral." New Yorkers cannot remain neutral. Convert or die. Pray. Lock and load. Ready. Aim. Fire. Kill. "Praise the Lord!" Eliminate your opponents. Practice Christian supremacy. Win. "Praise the Lord!"

Or win one for the AntiChrist, your choice: this video game, slated for distribution through pastoral networks and mega-churches, lets children switch sides and command the forces of the AntiChrist, including demons that eat Christians. Praise... Who now?

Now Layman, leader of the Christian Cadre campaign, has denounced these essays as a "mess of lies" and accused Talk to Action of cooking up and dishing out falsehood out of malice, of spreading "anti-Christian propaganda." Really? How is Talk to Action anti-Christian? We'll have to ask our regular front-page posters The Rev. Dr. Bruce Prescott (Executive Director of Mainstream Oklahoma Baptists), The Rev. Dr. John Dorhauer (minister for the St. Louis Association of the United Churches of Christ), and The Rev. Dr. Andrew Weaver (United Methodist), about that.

Meanwhile, here's what Paul Procter of the conservative Christian Worldview Network has to say in "Killing for the Kingdom - Just for Fun & Games," his essay based on Talk to Action's series:

After all, biblically speaking, the ungodly premise of the game is frankly a no-brainer. I mean if Christians who read or hear about this disgraceful invention don't see anything wrong with the church promoting a video game about killing reprobates for Christ or, if you like, killing Christians for the antichrist, (your choice) there's really nothing I can add, except maybe a stern rebuke.

It does, however, give the rest of us a little peak at the delusional dreams of Dominionists - some of whom proudly proclaim that they are going to take back this country and world FOR Jesus, as if He needed their arrogant agenda and unchecked adrenaline to do so, in spite of what the scriptures say about the last days, the apostasy and this world "passing away." ...

One has to wonder if computer games like this aren't really just training videos and simulators designed by ecclesiastically embedded enemies of Christ, in the tradition of Judas, to undermine the Gospel and seduce its more naive and narcissistic players into pursuing their passions rather than yielding to the Word of God; providing a purpose driven pretext for recreational rebellion; a sanctimonious sanctioning of sin and sadism for the supposed salvation of seekers under the gratuitous guise of "meeting their felt needs;" one more clever contraption of compromise, confusion and complicity intended to lure and hold a carnal Christian's attention and keep them coming back for more so as to casually coerce them into a new crusade of global zealotry; another "end justifies the means" vision and ministry brought to you by the smiling faces of the ever-clever church growth movement.

Thank you, Brother Paul Procter. Bless your conservative Christian heart for standing up and speaking out with such a sharp analysis on this abomination. By so doing, you've demonstrated excellence in leadership. We're still waiting to hear from mega-church pastor Rick Warren, whom U.S. News & World Report hailed in 2005 as one of "America's Best Leaders," and whom Time Magazine has dubbed "America's Minister." So, progressive Christian leaders and conservative Christian leaders are standing up and speaking out. May we now see a show of leadership, and hear a word of witness, from "America's Minister"?

Here's blogger Sean Coon of Connecting the Dots, who dialogued with Layman about the Talk to Action series: "Sorry," says Coon, "but in a world wrought with so many divisions of faith leading to intolerance, hatred, genocide and terrorism, this game is sick no matter how you try to spin it." And how does Layman respond? Layman responds, "Wasn't trying to promote the game, just trying to expose some of the hysteria being promulgated about it. It's not my cup of tea either." Ooh! Strong stuff! Not his cup of tea? This is what Layman, who calls himself a Christian apologist, has to say about Christian children commanding the forces of the AntiChrist, killing New Yorkers, unleashing demons that eat conservative Christians? Cold corpses of New Yorkers piled up like cord wood in Times Square? Gunning down nurses on 6th Avenue? Too naughty! It's just not Layman's cup of tea.

How does Layman respond to the Los Angeles Times report of Christian militias gunning down New Yorkers and shouting "Praise the Lord!" Layman responds on Christian Cadre: "I think we simply don't know how the 'Praise the Lord' comment fits into the game. If it is something said after killing anti-Christ soldiers, I find that distasteful. If it is something said after completing a mission, then much less so."

Blamblam! Blamblamblam! Kaboom! UN nurses blown away in an ambush on 6th Avenue. Christian militia members then shout, "Praise the Lord!" Layman finds that perhaps "distasteful." But maybe nothing so strong as that. Maybe "less so" -- less than a wee tad distasteful. Wouldn't want to say anything provocative or the least bit bold in criticizing people hawking this horror through the pews of mega-churches, for fear of being misinterpreted as inflammatory. Better not react too strongly. Better just say it's not his cup of tea. Not His Nibs' cup of tea then? Maybe he'd prefer a great big greasy Whopper instead. It wouldn't be his first.

The Purpose Driven Life Takers (Part 1)

Violent Video Marketed Through Mega-Churches (Part 2)

Revelation and Resignation (Part 3)

Christian Cadre's Layman: 'A Whopper of Being Wrong' (Part 4)

Apocalypse, Now a Lawsuit (Part 5)

Who's Watching the Boys? (Part 6)

Conservative Christian Culture Warriors Cut and Run (Part 7)

Bible Publisher Tyndale House Faces Boycott Over Anti-Christian Game (Part 8)




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There's a difference between a provocative analysis, boldly stated, and inflammatory rhetoric that turns people against the love of Christ.

Talk to Action offered the former. We're pleased that Christian leaders from the right, left, and center, are asking questions, making statements, and taking on this abomination. Silence equals complicity. And sometimes, when dealing with people who commit abominations in the name of Christ -- or apologize for them -- the milquetoast approach just doesn't cut it. Brother Paul Procter of the conservative Christian Worldview Network understands that.

Now the challenge is for Talk to Action's friends and allies to join us in standing up, speaking out, and getting out there to boycott this horrendous video game. You may be assured that Talk to Action will continue to speak forth in a manner that is deservedly provocative, boldly stated -- and accurate.

by jhutson on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 03:43:05 AM EST


Today's daily Bible verse comes to us from the Gospel According to Matthew 15:30: "And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them."

Now if you come across any lame man out there, you join us in a prayer for Jesus' precious healing, y'all. Pray for the lame man, the blind, and the dumb. Word.

by jhutson on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 03:50:04 AM EST


I find myself wondering how much Layman's, Warren's, and others' decision to tone down their criticism of this game is due to a fear of the Religious Right's tendency to "eath their own" when one of their own becomes at all critical of the movement.

For an idea of what I'm talking about, consider what the Religious Right did to Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson when they published their book, Blinded by Might.  In the book, Thomas and Dobson make it clear that while they completely agree with the theological and moral views of the religious right, they believe that the political methods the Religious Right tends to use to "promote Gods kingdom" are not only ineffective, but contrary (and occasionally even an affront) to the theological worldview they espouse.  These men drew on their personal experiences working for Jerry Falwell's now defunct organization, the Moral Majority, and presented a reasoned argument for their arguments, as well as their recommendations on how conservative Christians should really go about "promoting God's kingdom."  As a result, people like Dobson, Falwell, and Robertson raked these "former comrades" over the coals, declared them enemies, and proceeded to proceed with the kinds of attacks against these men that they normally save for us "godless liberals" and other "enemies of God."

So part of me wonders if some of these people are afraid to use stronger language in criticizing this movie lest they find themselves on the outside looking in.  After all, they'd be in a position to know what their "fellow comrades" do to those who stray too far from the party line....

Not that this excuses their silence, mind you.


by seithman on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 10:48:12 AM EST

That's a very helpful tactical analysis. Thanks.

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 11:17:53 AM EST
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Apparently, I had a classic case where I typed faster than my brain should work.  I should've said "game" instead of "movie."  Silly me.


by seithman on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 11:20:33 AM EST
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I doubt anyone was offended !

Also, it seems that Frank Frey's emoticon has made this entire thread bolded : well, why not ? It's a bold subject matter.

Bold type is fine with me. Frank's emoticon could have done much more exciting things...... such as replicating the old "blink" tag !

I don't think I've ever seen an emoticon driven social software gitch before on Scoop, but there it is.

Anyway - speaking of movies, the trailer for the :Left Behind: Eternal Force" game is kind of fun to watch, if you've got a high speed connection to speed the 50mb download.

Sadly, the download does not show the actual game as it's being played - I really want to know if those demons who "feast on the faithful" make any special noises while they are feasting, or what sort of noises the 'faithful' make while being devoured.

There are many possibilities - do the demons rend their prey limb from limb or make loud smacking noises as they feast ? Or do their mouths suddenly grow enormous so they can swallow the "faithful" whole in the manner of ""pac-man" frogs ?

I think these questions need to be addressed.

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 11:41:28 AM EST
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I've rewritten the Wikipedia article extensively attempting to present both sides, but judging from the discussion page Layman watches it like a hawk, simply reverting whatever he doesn't like.  It's plain the entire entry was written by him and any changes so far were simply erased.  I'm unable to revert the article more than three times myself.  Then again, so is he.  If anyone here has a Wikipedia account, I'd appreciate your help defending what I've written and expanding/correcting to boot.  In the case that he reverts it, you can look at what I wrote somewhere in the edit functions.  Thank you.

by TheGlimmering on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 12:08:40 PM EST
It sounds like Layman is a classic Christian historical revisionist.

That makes me wonder if the Wikipedia has any problems with people rewriting sections on Evolution or geological history.

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 12:20:15 PM EST
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In fact, not just evolution or geology, but especially political posts have a bad habit of being hijacked and rewritten by dominionists; in fact, even the Wikipedia articles on dominionism and dominion theology itself have been similarly attacked in past by dominionists.

In fact, entire IP classes have had to be banned by Wikipedia in past due to this.

Chip Berlet can tell you about how he has had to revert entries multiple times in regards to this (re the dominionism articles on Wikipedia); he's gone through similar probs with the Christian Reconstructionism article on Wikipedia.

I've seen some evidence of a similar revision war with the Evolution article on Wikipedia, and dominionists may be targeting the additions to the Chick-Fil-A entry wherein dominionist links to the chain are noted.

One of the more infamous cases of "revision wars" where IP bans were required involved the entire IP block of the US Congress when senators were having staff remove info on their Wikipedia entries detailing scandals.

Wikipedia maintains a list of banned users, and in fact the very article on Christianity itself has been subject to edit wars before.

by dogemperor on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 03:02:22 PM EST
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Are the makers of this game trying to imply that it only takes 2 seconds to convert someone? and that all you have to do is stand next to them (and maybe cough on them, as if salvation were a virus)?

Sounds like someone bioengineered a "faith germ".......... oh, the irony! bioengineering being the abomination that it is........


by anomalous4 on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 12:41:50 PM EST


Jonathon,

Excellent series that is well researched and presented. Here, among us at USF, it has sparked discussion not only of LB:EF but of violent videogames in general and their effect on children.
Thanks to a poster named Psyche, we are now accessing the research of Dr. Craig Anderson of Iowa State University on the topic. It would be interesting to hear what he would have to say about LB:EF.
I do, however, have one complaint about Part 4 of your series. Did you have to use that darned Whopper analogy and image!!! I'm on a diet and now I'll have to be telling myself "Put down the Whopper with Fries and back slowly away from the table". Repeatedly I might add.;-)

by Frank Frey on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 10:12:18 AM EST


For those of you who have seen the movie Dune... I'm reminded of the scene with the little girl standing in a great hall as the whole place is shaking and falling apart around her, gleefully pronouncing, "My brother comes!"...

I must remind myself in the future that when arguing with a fool it is hard to tell the difference...

However, I need not spend much time feeling sorry for myself, since along comes big brother Jonathan to save the day!

Thanks!

-Emily
emilywynn.blogspot.com


by EmilyWynn8 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 04:07:09 PM EST

Okay, being the helpful person that I am, I brainstormed on some other games these Christianist guys might think about making in the future. For our religious and moral edification bla bla bla of course.

(just like a wayward nun, in no particular order)

  1. The Inquisition. Can play either side. If you play as a Jew you have greater speed, but no weapons. If you choose to be an inquisitor (maybe even the great Torquemada himself?) you get lots of sharp and pointy things to play with, and a fully customizable torture chamber! Come to think of it, this could be made as an add-on to Sims.

  2. The Crusades. Can play either side. Kill as many on the other side as you can, either for Jesus or for Allah. (ahem. wow, that is -so- not funny)

  3. Witch Hunt. Also has add-on packs for hunting warlocks and werewolves. No one has any actual powers to cast spells, vanish, or fly. This is a political game wherein you attempt to advance in either local government politics or the church hierarchy, or both. Better be nice to everyone, and don't wear polyester, 'cause there aint no love potions!

  4. The Great Wedding. You start as one of the virgins with a lamp and a limited amount of oil. Trick the other virgins into using their lamps, so that you save your oil. That way you can spit on them from the top of the wall after you got in and they are shut out. Don't be upset by their wailing and going on, just remember that they were losers who deserve to be treated cruelly! While at the party if you see anyone not dressed appropriately, kick 'em in the groin and call security!

You know, packaging is very important. I think to sell these games the proper motivation must be used. I think you could very loosely paraphrase Luke 9:26 as "For whosoever shall be ashamed of [this game], of him shall the Son of man be ashamed..." That would really guilt-trip them into not only buying the game but freely promoting it as well! (Luke 9:26 actually says, "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed..." but that's just the Bible, no one really 'reads' that anymore.)

We all know, the ends (End Times) justify the means (the meanies), so be as mean as you have to and rake (the Take) in as much cash (to be converted to gold and precious stones as soon as physically able) as you can for the ministry (monster-ey).

Moral Relative-ism: When your grandma grabs your ear between forefinger and thumb to get you to sit still in the pew, and 'shush'.

by Tin Soul on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:36:40 AM EST
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for writing this interesting serie of posts, it's truly interesting to read and I believe that it is very frightening that a christian church promotes a game like that. Scary is the word!
David, Web programmer currently working on the How To Keep Erection project.
by David H on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 03:50:06 AM EST

The good thing was, however, that as Satan, I of course had the United Nations on my side. As my peacekeeping Hummer and some of my followers rolled down Sixth Avenue, the Christians outflanked me and started firing, immediately taking out several of my nurses.
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By Frederick Clarkson (6 comments)
Mississippi Madness: Group Wants To Designate An Official Religion
A group in Mississippi is collecting signatures for a ballot initiative to change the state constitution in several ways.The proposal put forth by the......
By Rob Boston (5 comments)
I Stand Sunday Part 2
I Stand Sunday took place in Houston, Nov. 2, 2014, motivated by the cities' mayor who subpoenaed sermons from local pastors.  The host church......
By wilkyjr (1 comment)
I Stand Sunday Part 2
I Stand Sunday took place in Houston, Nov. 2, 2014, motivated by the city's mayor who subpoenaed sermons from local pastors.  The host church......
By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Houston's I Stand Sunday
In response to Houston's gay mayor's solicitation of church sermons, on Nov. 2, 2014, Houston Texas will host an I Stand Sunday.  The event,......
By wilkyjr (2 comments)
Real Religious Liberty is Not Oppression
This is a reposting of an op-ed I recently published at LGBTQ Nation -- FC Real Religious Liberty is not Oppression FREDERICK CLARKSON Senior......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Houston Mayor Ignites Fervor of Religious Right
The best take on Houston Mayor Annise Parker vs. the churches in her city is the story written by Marv Knox in the Baptist......
By wilkyjr (2 comments)
Four Stories
LGBTQ Nation   In my first bi-weekly column on religious liberty, I discuss how  "Religious liberty is a progressive and liberatory value, over which......
By Frederick Clarkson (2 comments)
Christian Right Voter Mobilization -- The Season Finale
One of the secrets of the success of the Christian Right over the years has been that opponents have taken the movement with insufficient......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Sins Of Omission: When Religious Right Leaders Speak, The Whole Truth Is Often Left Behind
When an individual doesn't feel like being absolutely truthful, there are a couple of things he or she can do. One is to simply......
By Rob Boston (2 comments)
Bishop Finn Under Vatican Investigation
Bishop Robert Finn, head of the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Missouri has long been a symbol of the ongoing institutional intransigence in addressing......
By Frank Cocozzelli (4 comments)
"The $1-Billion-a-Year [Religious] Right-Wing Conspiracy You Haven't Heard Of"
In honor of the 2014 incarnation of the event known as The Gathering, I've given an interview with Jay Michaelson, writing for the Daily......
By Bruce Wilson (5 comments)

Charles Taze Russell and John Hagee
No doubt exists that Texas mega-church Pastor John Hagee would be loathe to be associated with the theology of Pastor C.T. Russell (wrongly credited with founding the Jehovah's Witnesses) but their theological orbits, while......
COinMS (0 comments)
A death among the common people ... imagination.
Or maybe my title would better fit as “Laws, Books, where to find, and the people who trust them.”What a society we've become!The wise ones tell us over and over how the more things......
Arthur Ruger (0 comments)
Deconstructing the Dominionists, Part VI
This is part 6 of a series by guest front pager Mahanoy, originally dated November 15, 2007 which I had to delete and repost for technical reasons. It is referred to in this post,......
Frederick Clarkson (1 comment)
Republican infighting in Mississippi
After a bruising GOP runoff election for U.S. Senator, current MS Senator Thad Cochran has retained his position and will face Travis Childers (Democrat) in the next senate election. The MS GOP is fractured......
COinMS (2 comments)
America's Most Convenient Bank® refuses to serve Christians
Representatives of a well known faith-based charitable organization were refused a New Jersey bank’s notarization service by an atheist employee. After inquiring about the nature of the non-profit organization and the documents requiring......
Jody Lane (4 comments)
John Benefiel takes credit for GOP takeover of Oklahoma
Many of you know that Oklahoma has turned an unrecognizable shade of red in recent years.  Yesterday, one of the leading members of the New Apostolic Reformation all but declared that he was responsible......
Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
John Benefiel thinks America is under curse because Egyptians dedicated North America to Baal
You may remember that Rick Perry put together his "Response" prayer rallies with the help of a slew of NAR figures.  One of them was John Benefiel, an Oklahoma City-based "apostle."  He heads up......
Christian Dem in NC (4 comments)
Mississippi Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
Yes, that's right. We have totally lost our religious freedom in Mississippi and it must be restored by our legislators. ......
COinMS (1 comment)
Bill Gothard accused of harassing women and failing to report child abuse
Surprised no one's mentioned this, but one of the longest-standing leaders of the religious right is in a world of trouble.  Bill Gothard has been active in the fundie movement for over half......
Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
Eugene Delgaudio may lose his day job as Virginia county supervisor
Surprised no one's noticed this, but one of the nation's most virulent homophobes is in a fight to keep his day job.  Eugene Delgaudio is best known as the head of Public Advocate......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)
Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents
This caught me by surprise. I guess times are a changin in Dixieland. ------------------------------------- Cross posted from the HRC blog. Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents January 21,......
COinMS (0 comments)
Robert Knight: Running against evolution could potentially be a winner for the GOP
In one of the starkest instances yet of how far gone the religious right is, one of its leading activists thinks that he's found another potential wedge issue that could drive more people into......
Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
First Catholic official convicted in child sex abuse scandal has conviction overturned
Last year, Monsignor William Lynn, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's secretary for clergy, was convicted of reassigning a priest whom he knew had molested a young boy to a parish that had a school attached......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)
Quotes From Sarah Palin 'War on Christmas" Book v. Quotes From 1920s Anti-Jewish Propaganda
The point of this comparison is not to cast Sarah Palin as a Nazi. Rather, my intent is to underline uncomfortable similarities between contemporary "war on Christmas" talking points propagated by elements of the......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Francis sets up commission on how to deal with pedophile priests
Late yesterday Pope Francis announced--apparently after some prodding--that he will set up a panel to advise him on how to deal with child abuse by priests. The announcement was a forthright acknowledgment by the......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)

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