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Regarding Religious Intolerance in Public Schools
By Mainstream Baptist Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:10:01 AM EST printable version print story
I'm on my way today to the first annual Progressive Faith Blog Conference. Kudos to Thurman Hart, an Xpatriated Texan in New Jersey, for taking the lead in organizing the event.

Bruce Wilson of our own Talk-to-Action has suggested that a few of us write a statement about the incident at the Indian River School District in Delaware to share with others at the conference. The hope is to pool ideas and come up with a collaborative statement that can be jointly issued. Below the fold is a draft of a statement that I wrote for this effort:


Regarding Religious Intolerance in Public Schools

We are progressive religious people from a number of different faiths and traditions who are uniting to voice our concerns over signs that intolerance of religious minorities is mounting in America.

One particularly egregious example of this intolerance is the persecution and harassment of an American Jewish family from the Indian River School District in Delaware. Sadly, the Dobrich family felt so threatened by actions of some within their community that they felt it necessary to sell their home of eighteen years, to relocate and to place one of their children in a private school.

Conflict within the Indian River School District originated over forced observance of a religious exercise. Forcing anyone to participate in public acts of worship -- against their will and their deepest convictions -- violates both the Constitution and what James Madison in his "Memorial and Remonstrance" called an "unalienable" right of conscience.

America's public schools serve children from families of many different faiths and traditions. Every parent of every faith has the right to expect that the public schools will not be used to impose religious beliefs and practices upon their children. Every parent of every faith has the right to expect that public schools will honor the parent's solemn responsibility to instruct their own children regarding religious beliefs and practices. Every child of every faith has the right to expect that public schools will not force them to participate in religious practices that violate their religious convictions. Every child of every faith has the right to expect that public schools will treat them with the same fairness, dignity and respect that they treat the children of any other faith.

We call upon all Americans to raise their voices together with us to condemn the spiritual molestation of children taking place in our common public schools when they impose majoritarian religious practices on students from minority faiths.

We ask all Americans to take direct, non-violent action to put an end to every form of tacit governmental endorsement of religion.

We encourage all Americans to reaffirm the Constitutional right of every citizen to be free from being coerced to participate in acts of worship with those of different faiths and beliefs.

All persons should be free to worship with like-minded people of their own choosing in accord with the dictates of their own consciences.




Display:
Either prayer is an act of worship and therefore is an act of significance,

or

prayer is nothing of real significance and can easily be removed from public school events.

by Mainstream Baptist on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:14:35 AM EST

This is a wonderful document, it gets to the heart of the matter. I'll sign on.

As you've done, I think it is better to separate the issues raised by the behavior of "Stop the ACLU" from those inherent in the dispute over the teaching of Christiainity in the Indian River school district.

Too many issues packed into one document likely would just muddy the water.

There are few who could have written such a document. You're one. Thanks.

You might want to include a link to that educational guidelines document you've written. It supports, I'd say, your statement here, or your statement leads towards your guidelines.

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 10:02:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Concise and well done. Please affix my name to the statement.

by Frank Cocozzelli on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 10:46:35 AM EST
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That is very succinctly put. Either argument the far right uses condemns their need to publicly proseletyze.

by retrogay on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 03:36:46 PM EST
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I think the statement is excellent and especially appreciate the term "spiritual molestation."

However, I am a little uncomfortable with the repeated emphasis on the words "of every faith" which seems to specifically exclude those that do not adhere to an institutionalized tradition nor define their non-theistic system of ethics as a type of "faith."

Please consider how the statement might change if the Indian River family were atheists or perhaps 'Religious naturalist' as defined by scientist Ursula Goodenough?

by Vesica on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 10:13:20 AM EST

I think Dr. Prescott might have intended this to be a collective statement from people who hold religious beliefs, but if that's what Bruce intentended ( and there are reasons I can see for doing that ) there would be a need for a corresponding secular version.

Your point that the Indian River family could well have been atheists is certainly valid - the outcome would likely have been similar whether the persecuted family were atheists, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Muslims....

I'm glad "spiritual molestation" resonated with you. I liked it too.

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 05:36:18 PM EST
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Vesica,

I don't mean for "tradition" to be limited to "institutionalized religion."

I use "tradition" as a generic term for any distinct form of belief and conviction.  Tradition could refer to the beliefs of atheists and humanists as well as to institutionalized faiths.

by Mainstream Baptist on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 11:16:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This statement just doesn't do enough to express the rights of those who choose to have no faith.

I'll keep working on this.

by Mainstream Baptist on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 11:49:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Would simply substituting "beliefs" for faith do it?
Traditions in other places also seems neutral to me.

by Psyche on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 01:52:23 AM EST
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"Every child of every faith has the right to expect that public schools will not force them to participate in religious practices that violate their religious convictions."

This sentence worries me a bit. I'm thinking that fundies will argue that it concedes the right of fundamentalist kids not to be taught evolution.

You may have specified "religious practices" to specifically head off just that concern -- but I'm not sure that qualification alone does enough to close the door. (It's tricky business, of course, because the religious right -- in one of its frequent and colossal acts of projection -- is convinced that science is, in itself, a religion.)

Is there's some way to make that distinction stronger?

by Mrs Robinson on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 09:50:09 PM EST


The family in Indian River DE endured many years of persecution because they were atheists.

Read their story at: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/smalko2.htm


by JerrySloan on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 12:49:44 AM EST



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