Barack Obama: Sheep or Goat?
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:58:09 AM EST
The Christian Right is worried that Barack Obama may win the approval and vote of evangelical Christians. The Rev. Bob Schenck has written an article where he is trying to convince conservative Christians that Obama is not really a serious Christian.
Some excerpts from the article, "Barack Obama: Sheep or Goat?":

The most interesting aspect of what is being called "Obama-mania" is how quickly it has penetrated the Evangelical community. During a recent home Bible study group which my wife and I hosted at our house, one of our friends said, "What did you think of that Obama at Rick Warren's church? Looks like we finally may have a Democrat we can get behind." Yet, when I asked this same woman how much she knew about Obama, she indicated she really knew nothing about him.

 My impression is that there are millions of Americans like our friend; they find Obama appealing, but don't know any more about him than his good looks, easy-going manner and gorgeous family. If first impressions can be lasting ones, Obama is in good shape among a healthy percentage of traditional Christians. [     ]

It was under Wright's tutelage that Obama made his public profession of Christian faith. This, in response to a sermon preached by Wright and entitled (like Obama's recent book), The Audacity of Hope. For Wright and his church, the gospel is fused with the black experience in America. The church's mission statement reads, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain `true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."[xv]

 I don't pretend to understand the agony blacks have suffered in this country, enduring the hideous barbarism of slavery, the cruelty of Jim Crow segregation and the pain of prejudice. Yet, Trinity's reaction to these realities seems an anomaly, even by the several black leaders I consulted in writing this article. [   ]

 In other words, Obama came to Christ on his own terms, rather than surrendering unconditionally to Jesus' Lordship. This is important for all Christians to know, and particularly for Evangelical Christians whom Obama is actively courting for political purposes. [    ]

This commitment to the plenary authority and centrality of the Bible does not describe Barack Obama's Christianity. In fact, Obama picks and chooses what parts of the Bible he will accept or reject. For example, on the subject of same-sex relationships, Obama writes, [     ]

Obama doesn't seem to have this assurance of his salvation and, sadly, he risks passing that doubt along to his own four year old daughter: [   ]

Obama's progressivism, however, leads him to conclusions that are morally untenable, if not reprehensible, to Evangelicals and other traditionalist Christians.

He approves of same-sex romantic and sexual relationships, as do his church, his pastor and his denomination. He supports abortion for any reason, by any method, at any stage of pregnancy including during the birth process. [   ]

Obama is a member in a church that places devotion to race and nationality on par with devotion to Christ. His cultural exclusivity stands in direct opposition to the Evangelical concept of the transcendent universality of the Gospel. [    ]

Furthermore, Obama is affiliated with a denomination that has decisively rejected the cardinal truths of the Christian faith. This will be an enormous impediment toward his goal of unity. [   ]

Barack Obama is not an Evangelical Christian. Each of us must decide how much weight to give this fact as he continues to make the rounds in our churches, but we must keep it at the forefront of our minds. Only then can we properly and prayerfully decide whether or not to take the Senator up on his invitation to talk. Should he run for president, Obama's religious identity and the policies that result from it will be critical in assessing whether or not he has earned the Evangelical vote.




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by Carlos on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 12:01:30 PM EST

I for one am proud of the fact that Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ!(as am I)  He wrote a very thoughtful piece for the United Church News awhile back which talked about how he became a member of the UCC.
I don't know whether or not I will support him for President, but I do know I like him and I think that he is a committed Christian.

by sheltie on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 12:18:35 PM EST

<<This commitment to the plenary authority and centrality of the Bible does not describe Barack Obama's Christianity.>>

That's good news, indeed. (And so good of RevBob to spread the news.)

by IseFire on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 03:38:48 PM EST


this Evangelical bobble-head might want to educate his flock by directing them to the www.trinityucc.org website where THEY can speak their own words and not words filtered by selective thought. The whole paragraph (found in About Us on the Trinity website) and, quoted above says ..........

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

And, if we really want to speak to TRUTH, read the Mission Statement. Heck, I wish our church said as much about THEIR story.

And, spending so much time on this SEX debate says only one thing. The opposition will try to pull this one back in the gutter just as Ken Blackwell tried his best to do in Ohio. He failed and this trail of deception will too.

I say "bring on these idiots" so we can purge civic thought of this BS once-and-for-all.

For that matter, a member of our church, received a forwarded E-mail saying Obama was really not a Christian at all. Rather, a closet Muslim. Of course it is an urban legend. But, it was noted in the last paragraph of the E-mail that Obama was a member of the UCC. Brace yourself for all kinds of character assassination on this candidacy.

But, perhaps the best line in the quote within the story was "... fact, Obama picks and chooses what parts of the Bible he will accept or reject ..." I was thinking this Evangelical should really stand back, read that Bible a bit more closely, and, look in the mirror.

by williambrandes on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 04:55:13 PM EST



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