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Theocrat of the Week
By Frederick Clarkson Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 02:33:36 AM EST printable version print story
A pluralist society does not recognize any one -- or any religious truth at all. That's why it is antithetical to all things theocratic. What holds a pluralist society together is the recognition and commitment -- as well as constitutional and legal doctrines -- that every person has the right to believe as they will; to change their minds; and to engage in spirited public debate about, well, whatever people want to talk about.  The curious position of the theocrat, is that he must navigate the pluralist maze, seeking to create conditions for a more theocratic society. Sometimes, this means making temporary alliances with other theocrats -- even those whose theocratic vision is radically different! Sometimes such alliances are necessary to force governments to adopt policies against things like sexuality education and condom distribution to prevent AIDS. Fortunately, many theocrats can agree that withholding condoms from the general public is of the highest importance. Also, all good theocrats have the common goal of the demolition of the wall of separation between church and state. (One wall -- thwarts them all!)

But there are also times when a good theocrat needs to be resolute; able to say exactly who's who and what's what. It is for just such a demonstration of this necessary prerequiste for theocratic leadership that Our Distinguished Panel of Judges now lifts up Al Mohler, President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.


Dr. Mohler impressed everyone this week with his forthright statement that Mormons are not Christians (Mitt Romney not withstanding). His award winning act took place place recently in an online discussion on Beliefnet with prominent Mormon author Orson Scott Card.  Mohler writes, according to The Church Report:

Mormonism cannot be considered orthodox Christianity because the religion rejects historic Christianity.  "Christianity is rightly defined in terms of `traditional Christian orthodoxy,'" Mohler writes. "Thus, we have an objective standard by which to define what is and is not Christianity."

He continues, "We are not talking here about the postmodern conception of Christianity that minimizes truth. We are not talking about Christianity as a mood or as a sociological movement. We are not talking about liberal Christianity that minimizes doctrine nor about sectarian Christianity which defines the faith in terms of eccentric doctrines. We are talking about historic, traditional, Christian orthodoxy."

Our Distinguished Panel of Judges was most impressed by Mohler's claim to the corner on true Christianity.  The Church Report continued its blow-by-blow account:

In his rebuttal, Card acknowledges Mohler's explanation of Mormon beliefs as "clear and fair-minded," but argues that Mormons are Christians even though they reject central biblical doctrines.

Card writes: "And just as you would put any reference to Mormons as `Christians' in quotation marks, we Mormons refer to those who believe as you do as `Christians' in exactly the same way. Here's the difference. While we have no patience with creeds that owe more to Plato and other Greek philosophers than to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, we do recognize and respect as fellow Christians anyone who confesses that Christ is the Savior of the world."

"Without doubt," Mohler acknowledges, "Mormonism borrows Christian themes, personalities, and narratives."
Mohler argues, "Nevertheless, it rejects what orthodox Christianity affirms and it affirms what orthodox Christianity rejects. It is not Christianity in a new form or another branch of the Christian tradition." He continues, "By its own teachings and claims, it rejects that very tradition."


Our Distinguished Panel of Judges noted that Card played the pluralism card -- too kindly recognizing and respecting all manner of heretics and apostates as "fellow Christians."  Mohler, however, stands squarely for the faith, declaring that none but his notion of Christianity can be considered Christian.  

Our Distinguished Panel of Judges fondly recall the last time, (or at least the last time that they recall) Mohler took a similar stand -- on Larry King Live.

Religion News Service reported:

The president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary has called the Roman Catholic Church "a false church" that "teaches a false gospel."...

     Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live," Al Mohler was speaking on Pope John Paul II's pilgrimage to Israel and his recent apologies for the past sins of the Catholic Church. While stopping short of calling the Catholic Church a "cult," Mohler said the Catholic hierarchy is unbiblical.

     "As an evangelical, I believe the Roman church is a false church and it teaches a false gospel," Mohler said. "I believe the pope himself holds a false and unbiblical office." ...

     Mohler also criticized the pope's efforts to create a dialogue with Jews and Muslims...  The pope "has actually embraced all monotheists, both Jews and the followers of Islam, as long as they're sincere within the penumbra of the gospel, within the canopy of the gospel," Mohler said. "And that is just unbiblical, and by the way, not very pleasing to either Jews or to Muslims."

While Mohler's rejection of the office of the papacy as "unbiblical" got most of the attention, Our Distinguished Panel of Judges wishes to underscore that Mohler also rejects intefaith "dialog." After all, when it comes right down to it, what is there to talk about? Either you have the truth, or you don't.




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You would be interested in Al's comments about white women needing to have more children, which is a view many  Baptist claimed as a Mormon practice. (I got my new password and sent it)

by wilkyjr on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 09:37:17 AM EST

This seems to be a recurring theme that pops up every so often-the need of white Americans to have more children. Ben Wattenberg wrote about it in his book The Birth Dearth. The Quiverfull folks take this to a rather logical extreme. This is a modern expression of a belief that was present in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in the heyday of the eugenics movement. At its worst, it has led to genocides when the people in power believe they are threatened by the growth of a minority population.

by khughes1963 on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 03:33:51 PM EST

"One wall -- thwarts them all!" Please give me your blessing, Mr. Clarkson. If (please make it a big and very remote IF) theocracy succeeds, we will witness the mother of all catfights, from the tippy-top of each belief's hierarchy, down to the unpaid church custodian - all defending their turf and struggling for supremacy. Dobson's media empire and deep pockets give him an edge. And he doesn't even have a church - just a bully-pulpit and a spiderweb...Of course, LaHaye has powerful friends. And Eric Prince has an army. So the war won't be with Islam - it'll be with each other! Fortunately, Sam "God's Senator" Brownback is out-of-pocket and down in the polls. Too bad we can't say that about Teh Mormon. Or Teh Actor! Or Teh Mayor! Feh!

by Naomi on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 10:00:26 PM EST
So please do use it whenever you think its useful.

Credit where credit is due when you can;-)

by Frederick Clarkson on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 10:31:51 PM EST
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