Donate to or support
Talk to Action








The Indian River Incident : What You Can Do

link > The "Stop the ACLU Coalition" Shaming Project
How you can help stop "Stop The ACLU" just by sending a few emails



 'Left Behind' video game imageThe Shaming Project

does the violence of "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" bother you ? If so, what can you do ? Well, to begin with you can email Jonathan Hutson's stories to people you know. That will help to bring more public scrutiny of the game. Public shaming really works ! Just click on the "email" icon and link at the top or bottom of the story and you'll be taken to a form that will allow you email the first story, The Purpose Driven Life Takers or the latest installment without leaving this site. Thanks. 'Left Behind' video game image




Rise of the Charismatic Leaders Council
By Bruce Wilson Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 04:29:39 PM EST printable version print story
As Foursquare Church Communications Director Brad Abare wrote on his blog early in 2007, about his trip to the annual meeting of a new Christian right leadership group founded in 2003,

'I flew to Orlando this morning on the Delta red eye. I'm traveling with Foursquare president Jack Hayford on a quick 36-hour trip as he facilitates the fourth annual "Charismatic Leaders Council." This gathering of about 100 "industry" heavyweights is hosted by charismatic publishing mecca Strang Communications...

The not-all-charismatic Charismatic Leaders Council includes people like R.C. Sproul, David Shibley, John Bevere, Peter Lowe, Che Ahn, Myles Munroe, Cameron Strang, Bob Weiner, Paul Crouch, Jr., Mike Bickle, Katherine Harris, Paula White, Paul Cedar, R.T. Kendall, Lee Grady, Cindy Jacobs, Reinhard Bonnke, Jack Hayford, and dozens of others -- I just can't see their faces from where I am sitting.'

The formation of the Charismatic Leaders Council reflects the rise in scope and influence of the Christian Charismatic movement--not merely within the domestic United States but also worldwide.


The expansion of the charismatic tendency within the Christian right, but also into liberal Protestant Christianity and the Catholic Church, indicates a rising new force within politicized fundamentalism that will soon exert significant electoral force, possibly in the 2010 mid-term elections but very likely in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.

In terms of predicting the magnitude of that potential political impact, there is a possibility the Charismatic movement could blindside the American left to the degree that the late 1980's electoral mobilization of the Christian right, by Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition and by other electoral get-out-the-vote efforts, blindsided the Democratic Party in the 1994 mid term election, when the Republican Party gained a majority in both the US Congress and Senate.

Why might that be the case ?

As described by Charisma Magazine Editor J. Lee Grady, the 2006 meeting of the Charismatic Leaders Council featured the same complaints, on alleged cultural and moral decline, that leaders of the religious right have made for decades.

But, the Charismatic movement is fast pushing past many of the ethnic and nativist bigotries that have long stigmatized the American right. Even as the election of Barack Obama, as the next US president who will take office in January 2009, has triggered a racist backlash, the Charismatic movement is quickly moving into a dominant position in the movement and, regardless of whatever retrograde elements it is dragging in tow, the Charismatics are determined to re-position and re-brand themselves as a political rainbow coalition that will form a new, kinder and gentler yet also more extreme, face and dominant faction of the American religious right.

As J. Lee Grady concluded his January 13, 2006 Charisma Magazine story, 2006: The Best of Times, the Worst of Times,

Perhaps the most hopeful and positive signals given at the conference came from international and ethnic voices. Hispanic church planter Sammy Rodriguez, who is affiliated with the Assemblies of God, reminded the group that Hispanics and other immigrant communities are the fastest-growing segments of the American church...

Myles Munroe, a Bahamian megachurch pastor and international speaker, chided the Americans for being too narrow--noting that our sport of baseball celebrates a "World Series" that is for American teams only. Said Munroe: "You must develop a global focus."

Grady also noted Korean-American Pasedena-based mega-church Pastor Che Ahn's upbeat conference observation that "God has heard the prayers of American Christians during recent hearings to confirm Supreme Court Justice John Roberts". Ahn, whose meteoric rise has given his Harvest Rock Church ministry the financial heft to move into the mammoth and architecturally stunning Ambassador Auditorium in Pasadena, California, claims to preside over an apostolic network of 5,000 churches and ministries worldwide. But Che Ahn is himself, in turn, one of the 500 apostles in C. Peter Wagner's apostolic network, The International Coalition of Apostles(ICA). Wagner's ICA is probably the largest Apostolic network among the numerous Apostolic networks that have sprung up over the last several decades.

On page 47 of his book Churchquake! (Regal, 1999) C. Peter Wagner writes,

'Back in 1996, David Barrett, editor of the World Christian Encyclopedia, told me he had 1,000 apostolic networks on his database and he would estimate at that point more than 100 million new apostolic adherents worldwide. He later wrote and said, "Every time I do an approximate scan statistical count of this movement it seems bigger and bigger." Wagner then goes on to cite the growing scale of individual churches and individual revival event in the developing world.'
According to World Christian Trends AD 30 - AD 2200, which was co-edited by Barrett, has been cited by famed theologian Harvey Cox, and is generally considered the standard reference work on trends and changes in global Christianity, those '100 million apostolic adherents' fall within Postdenominational Christianity, which according to World Christian Trends represented by AD 2000 approximately 385 million Christians worldwide and has 'no connection to historic Christianity.'

The Apostolic movement also falls within a tendency that has arisen since the 1980's, Third Wave Christianity, which represents 295 million non-denominational, Neo-Pentecostal and charismatic Christians worldwide and is both 'radical' and 'disturbingly different' according to World Christian Trends. Third Wave Christianity is preoccupied with healing miracles including raising the dead, a theme one could, promoted, in video footage from 2008, promoted from the pulpit of Sarah Palin's most significant church, the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska.

J. Lee Grady's tally, in his 2006 Charisma story, fleshes out Brad Abare's 2007 list of Charismatic Leaders Council members. Grady noted the attendance of:

"Steven Hill, Benny Hinn, James Robison, C. Peter Wagner, Stephen Strang, T.D. Jakes, Claudio Freidzen, Jane Hansen, John Dawson, Ron Luce, Casey Treat, Mahesh Chavda, R.T. Kendall, Sammy Rodriguez."

Out of the combined leadership role from those two years, from 2006 and 2007 and possibly representing about 1/3 of the total CLC membership, by far the largest bloc is under C. Peter Wagner's apostolic authority: Stephen Strang, J. Lee Grady (both with Charisma Magazine) Che Ahn, Jane Hansen (head of Women's Aglow), Bob Weiner (one of the founders of Maranatha Ministries) and Cindy Jacobs.

But, the extent of the influence of Wagner's faction hardly stops there. Most of the other leaders in the combined, two-year list have helped originate or at least entrained with, the demon-haunted "spiritual warfare" form of Pentecostalist and charismatic Christianity enshrined as doctrine in C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

Peter Wagner's NAR has pulled together many strains within a broad movement that seeks a return to the earliest days of the Christian Church when, as described in Biblical scripture, Jesus worked miracles and delegated direct apostolic authority to his disciples.

Thus, under the "Five Fold Ministry" concept, there are now Christian Apostles, prophets, evangelists, prophets and teachers, each with differing levels of power and authority. At the top of the power structure, not surprisingly, are the Apostles and Prophets. The Apostles claim direct, divinely-endorsed political authority. The Prophets claim direct prophetic inspiration, from God, which can augment Biblical scripture and so change the Christian scriptural cannon established almost two thousand years ago.

Among the members of the 2006 Charismatic Leaders Council, was Sammy Rodriguez whom J. Lee Grady described as a "church planter." Rodriguez claims to preside, as an apostle, over his own international apostolic Five Fold ministry network. But Rodriguez also, as the head of the National Hispanic Leadership Council (NHLC), represents up to ten million Hispanic protestant evangelicals and up to five million charismatic Catholics. Rodriguez and other top NHLC leaders are currently listed as advisory board members to Lou Engle's The Call.

On November 1st, 2008 The Call staged a capstone rally to its successful push in the effort to pass the anti-gay marriage Proposition 8 Initiative that came before California voters in the November 4th, 2008 election.

Lou Engle serves on C. Peter Wagner's elite Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders. The Call focuses on opposition to gay right and abortion rights, and Engle has repeatedly forecast that conflict over abortion rights may lead to a second American civil war. Towards the end of the November 1st, 2008 San Diego Qualcomm stadium rally staged by The Call, Engle publicly called for Christians martyrs who would oppose an alleged wave of immorality and injustice threatening, claims Lou Engle, America.

Below: a Michael L. Wilson / Social Satisfaction Media short video documentary showcasing Lou Engle's rhetoric incitement for Christian martyrdom, at The Call San Diego.




Display:
attendee at the Charismatic Leaders Conference - is she the FL Secretary of State of the 2000 elections?

by NancyP on Tue Dec 09, 2008 at 02:45:23 AM EST
There's an article, in the "Special Focus: Palin" section, linking Harris to C. Peter's Prayer-Warfare network. I'm not really sure what Harris has to offer now to the Charismatic movement though. Maybe she gets honorary status for her presumed role in the 2000 presidential election ?

by Bruce Wilson on Tue Dec 09, 2008 at 07:28:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]


Bruce, if you get a chance to go in person to one of these things it is quite interesting. The media often misses lots of good stuff.

by wilkyjr on Tue Dec 09, 2008 at 09:10:38 AM EST
It's a pretty small club and apparently quite exclusive.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:30:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]


of members available anywhere, similar to the list of ICA members?

Based on who's listed there seems to be a lot of overlap.  Even though they're not all Third Wave/Joel's Army/NAR, you're right, based on this short list it seems the majority are.

And Bob Weiner's continued reascendancy into charismatic leadership is nothing short of astounding.  I would be willing to bet that right now he has a better reputation within this movement than his former MCM compatriots who started Every Nation.  He's continued to be connected to the same larger grouping of leaders all along since Maranatha "broke up" in 1990, but it's only been in the last few years or so that he's actually NAMED in press releases, articles, etc. meant to promote these types of groups.

Some of the non-charismatics like Sproul may be on this board largely to give it perceived clout within the larger Christian community, including Charismatics who are not (yet) part of the Third Wave/Joel's Army/NAR.  I know the leaders of EN would take advantage of photo ops, panels, board memberships, etc. with recognized Christian leaders for similar reasons.

by ulyankee on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:48:50 AM EST

This new leadership group may be too new.

Yes, the laundering of Bob Weiner's religious reputation is striking. As far as I've seen your take may be right - Weiner has come very far indeed. And, your take re Sproul certainly seems plausoble to me.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:35:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]




WWW Talk To Action


Its the Substance, Not the Slogan
As Talk to Action regulars know, we believe that name calling and cheap sloganeering are no substitute for actual knowledge and the capacity to......
By Frederick Clarkson (6 comments)
Short Takes: The Family edition
Religion Dispatches: A number of religious leaders called on president Obama to condemn the proposed Ugandan kill the gays bill, which had been originally......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Will National Prayer Breakfast Once Again Flaunt Fake George Washington 'Prayer' ?
It was February 2006. President George Bush, King Abdullah of Jordan, and Bono all gathered at the 2006 National Prayer Breakfast. If they read......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
NY Times, AP, Cable News Reports on Air Force Academy Don't Get the Picture
In recent weeks, there has been a pretty steady stream of articles reporting on the much improved religious climate at the U.S. Air Force......
By Chris Rodda (3 comments)
The Road to Remonstrance
I recently wrote about the need for mainstream and liberal Catholics to offer remonstrance -- an earnest presentation of reasons for opposition or grievance......
By Frank Cocozzelli (7 comments)
Angry Voters, Right-Wing Populism, & Racial Violence
Eric Ward is nervous. He's seen it before--the angry right-wing populist crowds, the strident calls to "Restore America" and "Take it Back." In the......
By Chip Berlet (8 comments)
Historians Whack "Liberal Fascism" Thesis
David Neiwert has pulled together a critique of the idea of "Liberal Fascism" over at the History News Network: "It has now been just......
By Chip Berlet (1 comment)
Texas Churches and the Governor's Race
In Polk County Texas, Governor Rick Perry held a campaign rally in one of the Black churches.  He was joined by the head of......
By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Richard Land and Presidential Politics
Andrew Hogue of Baylor University has chronicled the story of Richard Land's connection to Presidential power.  Writing in Texas Baptist History's 2006 Journal, Hogue......
By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Good Riddance 'Jesus Rifles' -- Trijicon to Stop Putting Bible References on Military Rifle Sights
(I've updated this post to add some photos and other stuff to rebut the most common comments I'm seeing on other articles and blogs.)......
By Chris Rodda (1 comment)
Movement Behind Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill Organizing in Newark
Street by street, block by block, organized by city ward, PrayforNewark's squads of church members are walking their city, praying for residents and businesses.......
By Bruce Wilson (6 comments)
Resource Directory for the New Apostolic Reformation
The Apostles and Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation view their postdenominational movement as the future face of the Protestant church and the end......
By Rachel Tabachnick (0 comments)
Sight Fight: U.S. Military Must See Problem With Bible Engravings
Yesterday I wrote on AU's blog about a controversy that has erupted over the revelation that a Michigan-based company has engraved references to biblical......
By Rob Boston (5 comments)
History Matters: Obama Declares Religious Freedom Day
President Barack Obama has issued a Proclamation declaring January 16th Religious Freedom Day. (PDF) In it he invokes the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Video Exposes Antigay Western Theocratic Effort "Transforming" Uganda
My new 20 minute documentary, Transforming Uganda, exposes the immense political influence in Uganda of the International Transformation Network and ideological influence of George......
By Bruce Wilson (3 comments)

Pope John Paul II's Penitential Practices: The Opus Dei Connection
We are pleased to once again welcome theologian William Lindsey as a guest front pager. This piece is crossposted from the new progressive Catholic group blog, The Open Tabernacle: Here Comes Everybody. -- FC......
By William Lindsey (0 comments)
WallBuilders, Inc., Promoting a dominionist "Christian Nation"
Cherry Hill Seminary Supports Patrick McCollum in 9th Circuit Case Against California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation http://snipurl.com/u8kcj ......
By Dragonzmajick (0 comments)
Roeder verdict sparks fears of more anti-abortion violence
cross-posted at dKos Scott Roeder is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison for the murder of George Tiller.  At the very least, he'll by 75 years old before he can......
By Christian Dem in NC (1 comment)
The dark underside of the Latter Rain--a walkaway's view
cross-posted at dKos I read Bruce Wilson's posts on dKos and Talk To Action regarding the "Pray For Newark" initiative with particular alarm.  While Pray for Newark appears to espouse an admirable goal--community empowerment--it's......
By Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
Bishops as Provocateurs
In a thinly-veiled reference to the campaign of President Barack Obama, Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, charged that Americans are "embracing a totalitarianism which masks itself as the 'hope,' the 'future' of......
By bettyclermont (0 comments)
The Vatican v. Children
Yesterday was not a good day for children seeking justice from the Roman Catholic Church. The internet brought the following news: ......
By bettyclermont (0 comments)
Religious bigots control supermarket chain
Well, they've won again.  The religious bigots have forced Publix Supermarkets into bowing to their wishes. ......
By ArchaeoBob (5 comments)
Manhattan Declaration is to Theology what Fox is to Journalism
The December 20, 2009, New York Times ran a lengthy article by David D. Kirkpatrick about Robert P. George, "The Conservative-Christian Big Thinker." The occasion was release of George's "Manhattan Declaration" signed by the......
By bettyclermont (2 comments)
Merry Freakin' Christmas: I'm Taking Your Stuff, and you Can't Stop Me!
A humorous look at the larger implications of a seemingly harmless holiday tradition. ......
By John Sheirer (1 comment)
Lou Engle, September 25, 2007, Los Angeles: "Holywood"
[This is a partial transcription of a sermon/speech Lou Engle, Founder of TheCall gave on September 25, 2007, in Los Angeles. The full sermon is slightly over 63 minutes. This partial transcript is of......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Tweet complains my videos of his "Hitler/Lenin/Mao" speech are unfair
It's gratifying to know "America's most powerful pastor" seems to have taken notice of my videos, showcasing Rick Warren's 2005 speech at California's Anaheim Angels Stadium, during which Warren outlined a "stealth" program to......
By Bruce Wilson (4 comments)
Blurring Reproductive Rights and the Religious Right
The principle of the Hyde Amendment, which restricted federal funds from paying for abortion back in 1976 -- is now seen as an acceptable, "abortion neutral" position for the prochoice Democratic Party. How did......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Calls on Followers To Be Dedicated as Followers of Lenin and Mao
[note: for more recent news on Rick Warren, see Rick Warren's Dissertation Advisor Leads Network Promoting Uganda Anti-Gay Bill] Video, below contains audio recording, photos, and transcript from Rick Warren's April 17, 2005 speech......
By Bruce Wilson (6 comments)
Julius Oyet Touts The College of Prayer
A new Talk To Action story identifies Apostle and bishop Julius Oyet as a major player in the recent effort in the Ugandan parliament to pass a draconian anti-gay bill. In this video [transcript......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Mark Silk on the Hagee / Rodriguez Entente
Mark Silk, at Spiritual Politics has picked up on my notice of the Hagee-Rodriguez embrace and zeroes in on what's certainly one of the most notable aspects: "The key thing to understand about the......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Inscribing Christian Values in our Children Before Birth?
Following the evolution of evangelical discourse as it re-defines homosexuality as evidence of "fallen creation", Terri Murray looks at how the Christian right have shifted their rhetoric to adapt to empirical research showing that......
By TMurray (0 comments)
US News & World Report Showcases Creationist Ray Comfort
US News and World Report's Dan Gilgoff has charitably provided evangelist Ray Comfort a media platform in the form of a US News & World "exclusive" through which Comfort defends his efforts to distribute,......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Atheist billboard in Central Florida
The organization "Atheists of Florida" sponsored a billboard promoting atheism in Lakeland, Florida.  I, however, have some concerns. ......
By ArchaeoBob (3 comments)
Transcript: Billy Graham and Richard Nixon, February 21, 1973
The following is my own transcript of a 20 minute phone conversation between Richard Nixon and Billy Graham, on February 23, 1973. As far as I am aware this is the only publicly available,......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Rifqa Bary being sent back to Ohio now
Well, there's a change in this case.  After the judge gets immigration documents and so on from the parents, he will send her back. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
The War on The War on Christmas Goes To Pot
The first day of Fall could be considered the official launch date for the annual war on the war on Christmas, which represents a significant part of the the American Family Association business model......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
School Officials off the hook
Today it is reported that the judge excused the school officials who violated the agreement they had over separation of Church and State. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
Dominionists trying to outlaw birth control
Well, they're at it again in Florida. ......
By ArchaeoBob (6 comments)
No Danger for Rifqa Bary
The FDLE just completed an investigation and found "no credible reports of threats" against Rifqa Bary. ......
By ArchaeoBob (1 comment)
Truth hitting the mainstream!
I've despaired of ever seeing anything critical or exposing Dominionism hit the mainstream press.  There is now an exception. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
Extremism?
The term extremism is currently in vogue to describe hate groups and other malcontents listed as such by knowledgeable monitors like SPLC and others in the T2A sidebar, but while we all know what......
By Jay Taber (2 comments)
My Netroots Nation Panel Talk
Where Do We Stand in the Bright Light of History? Netroots Nation August 14, 2009 Thank You, Professor Ledewitz, for initiating this discussion of a progressive vision for church and state -- and Netroots......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Transcript, Jan. 18, 2009 Steven Anderson Sermon Excerpt
Note: the sermon excerpt video and transcript below, from a January 18, 2009 sermon by pastor Steven Anderson of the Tempe, Arizona Independent Baptist Church, begins at approximately 21:30 into Anderson's  one hour, four......
By Bruce Wilson (2 comments)
More anti-Muslim provocation
The local paper reports that students in Gainsville, Florida are wearing T-shirts with "ISLAM IS OF THE DEVIL" printed on them. ......
By ArchaeoBob (1 comment)

More Diaries...


Donate to or support
Talk to Action

Left Behind: Eternal Forces: Installments of Jonathan Hutson's Talk To Action expose series on the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game have been viewed by up to 1/2 million people. See our site section featuring Over 35 original articles covering the controversial "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game that has provoked a boycott by a coalition of religious groups and a letter writing campaign urging Walmart to stop selling the game. Media inquiries click here
(image: detail from Francoise Dubois' rendition of the Bartholomew's Day Massacre reveals the actual nature of religious warfare)