Q & A With Brigitte Gabriel, At the Joint Forces Staff Command
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:43:22 PM EST
The following is my incomplete transcript of segment #4 of Brigitte Gabriel's June 13, 2007 speaking appearance at the US Joint Forces Staff Command in Norfolk, Virginia. Below is the transcribed segment, #4. The other four segments, in the 5-part series, can be found on YouTube.com by searching on the name "Brigitte Gabriel"

G: Any other questions ?

(unnamed) : A few quotations from your book and then I'd like to ask you a question.

In the section "Is Islam a Perfect Religion" you state Muslims consider the Koran the world of God and Muhammad the perfect model...

For people who resist Islam, the punishment in Sura 5 verse 23 is the punishment is crucifiction or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides or to be exiled from the land, Islam commands that.

Further down, quotation from Ayatollah Khomeini, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah." Then you ask the question, "is that individual fanaticism or is it simply being faithful to the Islamic teaching being found in the Koran ?" And, in your introduction, you point out that "in the Muslim world extremism is mainstream."

To, me all of those things say that the Koran commands this sort of behavior which, to me, would say that a faithful Muslim must do this. Given that, should we resist Muslims who want to seek political office in this nation ?

G: What great question!

Absolutely. If a Muslim who is a practicing Muslim who believes the word of the Koran to be the word of Allah, who abides by Islam, who goes to mosque and prays every Friday, who prays five times a day - this practicing Muslim, who believes in the teachings of the Koran, cannot be a loyal citizen to the United States of America.

When push comes to shove, if we are faced with war, that Muslim's loyalty will always be to Islam and not to a foreign government. When you read the Koran, and a lot of this stems out of the Koran, and the Pentagon concluded a study last year where they said that the driving factor behind all terrorist activities in the World today is the Koran. Nobody had the guts to come forward and say that because nobody in this country has the courage to stand up and identify the problem out of fearing for their lives, out of fearing for their jobs, out of fearing to be boycotted or outcasted in the community as an Islamophobe, which is a tactic that a lot of the Muslim lobbyists in the United States would want you to hear. However, the problem stems from the Koran itself as it is written in the 7th Century as well as the accompanying books of the Koran such as the Hadith... a lot of things in the Hadith is used for - the Hadith is even worse than the Koran. And this is the problem that we are facing.

A Muslim also - we have a law called ( !? ) in Islam, (T'kiya ? or _ ) which is lying or deception. A Muslim is allowed to lie under any situation to make Islam, or for the benefit of Islam in the long run. A Muslm sworn to office can lay his hand on the Koran and say "I swear that I'm telling the truth and nothing but the truth", fully knowing that he is lying because the same Koran that he is swearing on justifies his lying in order to advance the cause of Islam.

What is worrisome about that is when we are faced with war and a Muslim political official in office has to make a decision either in the interest of the United States, which is considered infidel according to the teachings of Islam, and our Constitution is uncompatible [sic] with Islam, not compatible, that  Muslim in office will always have his loyalty to Islam, and the shocking thing that the media completely overlooked - when Keith Ellison of Minnesota was elected as Congressman the shouts of "Allah Akhbar!" that echoedthrough his victory party should have sent shivers down the spine of every American in this country, to know how those words are used, and basically in Islam running through the World and spreading throughout the centuries....

People do not realize in this country that under the banner of Islam ( ?!   ) "there is no God greater than Allah and  Muhammad is his prophet", the Muslims mudered Jewish children in Israel, they massacred Christians in Lebanon, they killed Copts in Egypt, they killed Syrians in Syria, Hindus in India, Armenians in Turkey and expelled over 900,000 Jews out of Arab land and that was not done by a minority of radicals. That was done by governments, it was the governments of the Arabic world that expelled the Jews even though they were members of society and they were productive members of their society. So, in a time of war, when Muslims are fighting non-Muslims, non-Muslims cannot turn their back to any elected Muslim official in the White House, and this is why my personal opinion, as someone who comes from the Middle East, I echo the voices of millions of people who fled the Middle East because of Islamic persecution,  you cannot trust having a Muslim in office. When he has to make a decision to either be loyal to the United States or be loyal to Islam.

(unnamed #2): Thank you. I'd like to point out that I'm an American soldier and practicing Muslim for 19 years, served the US Army for the past 19 years, very proudly. For a previous point, also m'aam, your point of views, two questions:

Are you a member of Hasbara Fellowship and if it is, does that...

G: What's Hasbara Fellowship ?

(unnamed #2) : A fellowship in Israel ? A organization...

G: No , no...

(unnamed #2) : OK, thank you m'aam.

(unnamed #3) : M'aam, thank you. Also related to your previous comment about not electing a Muslim, couldn't you then make the same claim for a Catholic and their loyalties lie with the Pope and not with the country ? And then are you then advocating the fact that we should have no religious affiliation for our politicians ? And then a second followup which ties to it: yes, we're a nation at war, you said our government should declare war , but in your book you also say that in a time of war sometime we have to give up some of our freedoms. But this is the long war, we're talking about a generational struggle. So, after a generation of giving up our freedoms to fight this war, do we then become un-American ? And so, in our fight to keep America, we're no longer Americans at the end of the fight ?

G: Well, that's a long question, let me start with the first part of it. What was the first part again ?

(unnamed #3) : Any religion....

G: Oh yeah, I remember the question. Umm... should we be careful in electing Christians to office ?

Christians who are elected in office, or Catholics, when a war is declared... they are not declaring taking over the land like what we are seeing happening right now under Islam. Islam does not accept any other religion. You can put a Catholic in office and that Catholic in office will be the first person to fight for the right of every Muslim ot ahve a mosque in our land in the United States. Becaue we, as Christians and Jews, respect other people's religion, do not want to enforce our laws on other people. However, we have seen repeatedly and especially in the Middle East that Islam rules supreme. Whenever the majority of the radicals get together, like Saudi Arabia, like other Arab Gulf States, like any country where they have elections. For example, in Hamas, they elected Hamas in Gaza and the territories, we have seen the shift from Fatah, that was a little bit more moderate, and into Hamas instituting Sh'aria Law and __ and even bringing back the (?! ) on the Christians in the Gaza territory. The ideology of the two religions are completely different. Islam is not, iny any land, to be equal to any other religion. When Islam takes over, Islam is in the land to control other religions, and you have seen that in Saudi Arabia... how many churches do we have in Saudi Arabia ? How many churches do we have in B'ahrain ? How many churches do we have in Egypt ? Do you know that in Egypt even though there are the Copt Christians, and they are the largest 2nd bloc of Christians outside of Lebanon, do you know that the Copts in Egypt, in order for them to fix a faucet and a bathroom in a church, they have to get a presidential approval - which can take up to 30 years. So, as you see, mixing.... in Islam the religion is the state and the state is the religion. In Christianity no Christian would allow that. Catholics will not allow that, nobody will allow that. We want separation of church and state in this country, even the Christians would argue that - out of respect. They might want to have their own born-again Christian schools, or their own Catholic schools, but they're  not forcing you to adopt and forcing their curriculum  on Arabic public schools. Today, in any public school in the United States, you cannot discuss the Bible, or address people like "Jesus" and "Mary" and take them to church as a field trip for the class. However, in many Islamic public schools, in many public schools in the United States today, children are forced to read the Koran for 3 weeks, dress in Islamic Hijab, go to the near local mosque for a visit, with Hijabs on their heads, especially for the girls and take their shoes off before they go into the mosque.

Now, if we cannot allow the Christian students to go visit churches as a field trip and read the Bible as a discussion for three weeks, and dress up like Mary and Joseph, how come we allow Muslim students to do that ? See how the difference, between Christianity and Islam, when it comes to law ? In Islam the church is the state and the state is the religion. There is no difference.

To the second part of your question, about giving up our freedoms. In a time of war you must give up some freedoms in order to protect society in general. We can do diversity quilts and sing "Kumbayah" from now until the cows go home. The reality is - we have an enemy living in our country who plots our destruction. We know we have people who are trying to get on airplanes, or trying to smuggle weapons on airplanes, because they wanna blow us up to smithereens...   "


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