Donate to or support
Talk to Action








The Indian River Incident : What You Can Do

link > The "Stop the ACLU Coalition" Shaming Project
How you can help stop "Stop The ACLU" just by sending a few emails



 'Left Behind' video game imageThe Shaming Project

does the violence of "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" bother you ? If so, what can you do ? Well, to begin with you can email Jonathan Hutson's stories to people you know. That will help to bring more public scrutiny of the game. Public shaming really works ! Just click on the "email" icon and link at the top or bottom of the story and you'll be taken to a form that will allow you email the first story, The Purpose Driven Life Takers or the latest installment without leaving this site. Thanks. 'Left Behind' video game image




Not Dictating Version of 10 C's = Not Advancing Religion; Lord's Prayer a Legal Document
By Chris Rodda Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:24:24 PM EST printable version print story
As recent court rulings have shown, a nearly sure-fire tactic for getting away with displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools and other government buildings is to make this list of religious edicts part of a larger display that includes secular historical and legal documents. In South Carolina, a bill recently signed into law by Gov. Mark Sanford takes this strategy to a new level, contriving an historical reason to add the Lord's Prayer to the list of documents to be included in that state's government displays of "educational and informational material regarding the history and background of American law."

In the South Carolina bill H. 3159, (now Title 10, Chapter 1, Section 168 of the state's code of laws), number eleven in a list of thirteen documents to be included in these "American law" displays is the Lord's Prayer, for which the bill's authors concocted the following historical pretext.

(11) "The Lord's Prayer, used to teach people how best to seek their daily needs, is a model of philosophy and inspiration for legal and moral systems throughout the ages. In the colonies, James Oglethorpe brought debtors to freedom in our neighboring State of Georgia in remembrance of 'forgiving our debts as we forgive our debtors'."



This invention of a connection between Oglethorpe's founding of Georgia and the Lord's Prayer is not only ridiculous from an historical perspective, but is completely unsupported by the obscure legal authority cited by the South Carolina Attorney General in his written opinion on how the display of this prayer would withstand constitutional challenges.

First of all, the story of James Oglethorpe bringing debtors to Georgia simply isn't true. Oglethorpe did initially include this idea in his plan for the colony, but it didn't end up happening. It turned out that there were plenty of poor tradesmen, farmers, and other desirable "worthy poor" who were willing to to emigrate from England to the new colony, so recruiting the colony's labor force by springing debtors from prison just wasn't necessary, and that part of the plan quickly fell by the wayside.

Then, there's the ludicrous and completely fabricated addition to this already untrue story to connect it to the Lord's Prayer -- that Oglethorpe's idea to bring the debtors to Georgia was "in remembrance" of the prayer's "forgive our debtors" line.

Oglethorpe, a military officer and member of Parliament, became aware of the gross mistreatment of debtors in the British prison system when his friend Robert Castell, jailed for debts he incurred while writing a book on ancient architecture that didn't sell, died in London's Fleet Prison in 1728. Under the system that existed at the time, imprisoned debtors were required to pay for their own room and board in the prison, which, of course, was virtually impossible without outside help because, being prisoners, they had no way to earn money. Castell died from smallpox, contracted when, unable to pay his room and board fees, he was thrown into a cell with a prisoner who had the disease. The death of his friend led Oglethorpe to launch a vigorous campaign for prison reform.

An investigation by a parliamentary committee, chaired by Oglethorpe, resulted in some improvements to the prison system, but did not address the underlying problem of England's worthy poor -- the large numbers of industrious people who had become poor for reasons other than an aversion to work. Among the worthy poor, for example, were victims of the "South Sea Bubble," formerly well-to-do and working people of all sorts who had speculated in South Sea Company stock when that company was granted a monopoly to trade with South America. The quick rise of South Sea stock sparked a general stock buying frenzy, and when the South Sea Bubble burst in 1720, thousands of investors lost everything. These were the kind of people Oglethorpe and the other trustees of the Georgia colony were looking for. Potential colonists were carefully chosen and interviewed to ensure that the reason for their poverty was not idleness, but merely unfortunate circumstances, and that they had some skill that would be useful or necessary in the new colony. None of these original colonists came from the debtors' prisons.

In his "opinion regarding the constitutionality of H. 3159," South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster cites the expected court rulings on the constitutionality of displaying the Ten Commandments as part of a larger display, then gets to the Lord's Prayer. Here, McMaster really has to reach. The legal authority he resorts to is Christopher G. Weeramantry, a former Judge of the International Court of Justice, the Hague. (Apparently, McMaster has forgotten about the right wing's outrage over the Supreme Court's use of international law in interpreting our Constitution.)

This is what Attorney General McMaster thinks will make these government displays of the Lord's Prayer withstand the inevitable constitutional challenges:

"The Lord's Prayer, like the Ten Commandments, is included in the display as part of a much broader purpose -- to instill respect for law and to promote civic virtue. Like the Ten Commandments, the Lord's Prayer has been viewed by one scholar, a Judge of the International Court of Justice, the Hague, as possessing this independent purpose:

'[i]n short, reciting the Prayer is a commitment to the principles it contains; and each time the Prayer is repeated, there is a renewal of that pledge. In lawyer's language, one cannot blow hot and cold, affirming in words what one repudiates in action. The Prayer is a supreme recognition that heavenly duty is to be performed on earthly soil.

'Viewed this way, The Lord's Prayer contains a large number of basic principles underlying law and human rights which, if practiced, offer us a way out of the paths of violence and self-centeredness which threaten to lead humanity to self-destruction through another century of violence.'

"Weeramantry, 'On Earth As It is In Heaven: A Vision of World Order For the 21st Century,' 2 Tulsa J. Comp. and Intl. Law, 169, 172 (Spring, 1995). Thus, in our opinion, the Lord's Prayer is here being utilized by the General Assembly as part of the display for a secular, rather than a religious purpose -- the promotion of a sense of history and respect for law."

What McMaster quotes is not from any legal ruling, or even a paper on a particular legal issue or case. It's a 1995 speech given by Weeramantry at the University of Tulsa in commemoration of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday. Weeramantry's speech was based on a book he was writing at the time, The Lord's Prayer: Bridge to a Better World, which was published in 1998 by Liguori Publications, a Catholic ministry whose mission is "to spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world through our publications."

Weeramantry, in both his speech and his book, breaks down the Lord's prayer, relating each word or phrase to some concept of international law and/or human rights. For example, he interprets the word "daily" in "Give us this day our daily bread" as "a clear injunction against anti-social conduct such as hoarding or cornering the market in essential commodities."

In explaining the word "hallowed," Weeramantry says, "When the Prayer says 'hallowed' be thy name, it is saying that the reciter will treat God as hallowed." The word "Our," explained by Weeramantry as a statement of human rights, "places all humans in their proper context of basic equality." Why? Because "all of humanity is placed in the one category of those who together address a common superior" and "Jesus tells his followers that every one of them, however lowly, has a right to address the Almighty directly." Attorney General McMaster's assertion that Weeramantry said this prayer had a purpose independent of religion is ridiculous. He did anything but.

But, the kicker is that Weeramantry's speech, in addition to not supporting McMaster's laughable constitutional argument, actually conflicts with the South Carolina Assembly's historical pretext for displaying the Lord's Prayer, the essential element of which is that James Oglethorpe founded Georgia "in remembrance of 'forgiving our debts as we forgive our debtors'" -- an element that depends wholly upon the specious interpretation of "debts" as financial debts. For Weeramantry, who uses Catholic version of the Lord's Prayer, the word isn't "debts," but "trespasses," interpreted, as it is even by those who do use the word debts, to mean wrongs, or sins, as it is translated in the Luke version of the prayer.

The Ten Commandments, of course, are also to be part of South Carolina's American law displays. In fact, they're first on the list, with the following description.

"(1) The Ten Commandments have profoundly influenced the formation of Western legal thought and the formation of our country. That influence is clearly seen in the Declaration of Independence, which declared that 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.' The Ten Commandments provide the moral background of the Declaration of Independence and the foundation of our legal tradition;"

If you look at the evolution of this bill, it is abundantly clear that its purpose was to advance religion. The original bill, as introduced in the South Carolina House of Representatives in January 2007, contained nothing more than the following single sentence, to be added to the section in the state's law code on public buildings:

"Religious references to God, a deity, or a higher power of any denomination or religion may be used in approved displays, monuments, plaques, or similar fixtures in state or local public areas, buildings, or places."

This single sentence bill was "amended" by the House Judiciary Committee and reported in March 2007. The "amendment" was an entirely different bill -- a bill for displays of the "history and background of American law." Its twelve documents included the Ten Commandments, but the Lord's Prayer was not yet in the list.

(1) The Ten Commandments as extracted from Exodus Chapter 20;
(2) The Magna Carta;
(3) The Mayflower Compact, 1620;
(4) The Declaration of Independence; (5) The Preamble to the United States Constitution;
(6) The Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution;
(7) 'The Star-Spangled Banner' by Francis Scott Key;
(8) The Pledge of Allegiance;
(9) The Pledge to the South Carolina Flag;
(10) The Preamble to the South Carolina Constitution;
(11) The national motto 'In God We Trust'; and
(12) Martin Luther King, Jr.'s 'I Have a Dream' speech.

This version of the bill, which included the descriptions and historical significance of the first seven items, also stated that the information included in the displays must "at a minimum include" the descriptions provided in the bill. When the Lord's Prayer was later added, this meant that the historically inaccurate description quoted above must be part of the actual display. At this stage, the bill said that funding could not be used for these "Foundations of American Law and Government" displays.

The bill, in this form, was approved by the House and sent to the Senate, where, in May 2007, it was referred to Senate Judiciary Committee, which made several changes to the list of documents, such as dropping the Pledge to the South Carolina flag and adding the Emancipation Proclamation, but this isn't where the Lord's Prayer was added either.

It was this committee, however, that added the second most outrageous component of the bill. Up until this point, the bill specified a version of the Ten Commandments -- "as extracted from Exodus Chapter 20." For some unfathomable reason, the Senate Judiciary Committee thought that not dictating the version of this religious document would somehow render its display not an advancement of religion. So, they struck out "as extracted from Exodus Chapter 20," and added a clause saying, "Because the purpose of the display is not to advance religion, the General Assembly expresses no preference as to which version of the Ten Commandments is displayed."

The bill finally came to the floor of the South Carolina Senate in May 2008, and over the course of two days, a number of other documents were proposed as additions to the displays, almost all of which were rejected. But, one that did get the thumbs up, by a vote of 30-12, was the Lord's Prayer, along with its contrived significance in the formation of American law. It was also decided that these government promotions of religion and inaccurate American history, under the guise of "Foundations of American Law and Government" displays, could be paid for with state funding.

The bill was signed into law by Gov. Mark Sanford on Jun 11, 2008.




Display:
At this stage, the bill said that funding could not be used for these "Foundations of American Law and Government" displays.
Administration degree | Information Technology Diploma | PhD english

by KevinSmith on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 05:45:56 AM EST

First of all, the story of James Oglethorpe bringing debtors to Georgia simply isn't true. Oglethorpe did initially include this idea in his plan for the colony, but it didn't end up happening.
PhD sociology | Social work degree

by KevinSmith on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 05:47:29 AM EST


WWW Talk To Action


Its the Substance, Not the Slogan
As Talk to Action regulars know, we believe that name calling and cheap sloganeering are no substitute for actual knowledge and the capacity to......
By Frederick Clarkson (6 comments)
Short Takes: The Family edition
Religion Dispatches: A number of religious leaders called on president Obama to condemn the proposed Ugandan kill the gays bill, which had been originally......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Will National Prayer Breakfast Once Again Flaunt Fake George Washington 'Prayer' ?
It was February 2006. President George Bush, King Abdullah of Jordan, and Bono all gathered at the 2006 National Prayer Breakfast. If they read......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
NY Times, AP, Cable News Reports on Air Force Academy Don't Get the Picture
In recent weeks, there has been a pretty steady stream of articles reporting on the much improved religious climate at the U.S. Air Force......
By Chris Rodda (3 comments)
The Road to Remonstrance
I recently wrote about the need for mainstream and liberal Catholics to offer remonstrance -- an earnest presentation of reasons for opposition or grievance......
By Frank Cocozzelli (7 comments)
Angry Voters, Right-Wing Populism, & Racial Violence
Eric Ward is nervous. He's seen it before--the angry right-wing populist crowds, the strident calls to "Restore America" and "Take it Back." In the......
By Chip Berlet (8 comments)
Historians Whack "Liberal Fascism" Thesis
David Neiwert has pulled together a critique of the idea of "Liberal Fascism" over at the History News Network: "It has now been just......
By Chip Berlet (1 comment)
Texas Churches and the Governor's Race
In Polk County Texas, Governor Rick Perry held a campaign rally in one of the Black churches.  He was joined by the head of......
By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Richard Land and Presidential Politics
Andrew Hogue of Baylor University has chronicled the story of Richard Land's connection to Presidential power.  Writing in Texas Baptist History's 2006 Journal, Hogue......
By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Good Riddance 'Jesus Rifles' -- Trijicon to Stop Putting Bible References on Military Rifle Sights
(I've updated this post to add some photos and other stuff to rebut the most common comments I'm seeing on other articles and blogs.)......
By Chris Rodda (1 comment)
Movement Behind Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill Organizing in Newark
Street by street, block by block, organized by city ward, PrayforNewark's squads of church members are walking their city, praying for residents and businesses.......
By Bruce Wilson (6 comments)
Resource Directory for the New Apostolic Reformation
The Apostles and Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation view their postdenominational movement as the future face of the Protestant church and the end......
By Rachel Tabachnick (0 comments)
Sight Fight: U.S. Military Must See Problem With Bible Engravings
Yesterday I wrote on AU's blog about a controversy that has erupted over the revelation that a Michigan-based company has engraved references to biblical......
By Rob Boston (5 comments)
History Matters: Obama Declares Religious Freedom Day
President Barack Obama has issued a Proclamation declaring January 16th Religious Freedom Day. (PDF) In it he invokes the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Video Exposes Antigay Western Theocratic Effort "Transforming" Uganda
My new 20 minute documentary, Transforming Uganda, exposes the immense political influence in Uganda of the International Transformation Network and ideological influence of George......
By Bruce Wilson (3 comments)

Pope John Paul II's Penitential Practices: The Opus Dei Connection
We are pleased to once again welcome theologian William Lindsey as a guest front pager. This piece is crossposted from the new progressive Catholic group blog, The Open Tabernacle: Here Comes Everybody. -- FC......
By William Lindsey (0 comments)
WallBuilders, Inc., Promoting a dominionist "Christian Nation"
Cherry Hill Seminary Supports Patrick McCollum in 9th Circuit Case Against California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation http://snipurl.com/u8kcj ......
By Dragonzmajick (0 comments)
Roeder verdict sparks fears of more anti-abortion violence
cross-posted at dKos Scott Roeder is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison for the murder of George Tiller.  At the very least, he'll by 75 years old before he can......
By Christian Dem in NC (1 comment)
The dark underside of the Latter Rain--a walkaway's view
cross-posted at dKos I read Bruce Wilson's posts on dKos and Talk To Action regarding the "Pray For Newark" initiative with particular alarm.  While Pray for Newark appears to espouse an admirable goal--community empowerment--it's......
By Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
Bishops as Provocateurs
In a thinly-veiled reference to the campaign of President Barack Obama, Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, charged that Americans are "embracing a totalitarianism which masks itself as the 'hope,' the 'future' of......
By bettyclermont (0 comments)
The Vatican v. Children
Yesterday was not a good day for children seeking justice from the Roman Catholic Church. The internet brought the following news: ......
By bettyclermont (0 comments)
Religious bigots control supermarket chain
Well, they've won again.  The religious bigots have forced Publix Supermarkets into bowing to their wishes. ......
By ArchaeoBob (5 comments)
Manhattan Declaration is to Theology what Fox is to Journalism
The December 20, 2009, New York Times ran a lengthy article by David D. Kirkpatrick about Robert P. George, "The Conservative-Christian Big Thinker." The occasion was release of George's "Manhattan Declaration" signed by the......
By bettyclermont (2 comments)
Merry Freakin' Christmas: I'm Taking Your Stuff, and you Can't Stop Me!
A humorous look at the larger implications of a seemingly harmless holiday tradition. ......
By John Sheirer (1 comment)
Lou Engle, September 25, 2007, Los Angeles: "Holywood"
[This is a partial transcription of a sermon/speech Lou Engle, Founder of TheCall gave on September 25, 2007, in Los Angeles. The full sermon is slightly over 63 minutes. This partial transcript is of......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Tweet complains my videos of his "Hitler/Lenin/Mao" speech are unfair
It's gratifying to know "America's most powerful pastor" seems to have taken notice of my videos, showcasing Rick Warren's 2005 speech at California's Anaheim Angels Stadium, during which Warren outlined a "stealth" program to......
By Bruce Wilson (4 comments)
Blurring Reproductive Rights and the Religious Right
The principle of the Hyde Amendment, which restricted federal funds from paying for abortion back in 1976 -- is now seen as an acceptable, "abortion neutral" position for the prochoice Democratic Party. How did......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Rick Warren Calls on Followers To Be Dedicated as Followers of Lenin and Mao
[note: for more recent news on Rick Warren, see Rick Warren's Dissertation Advisor Leads Network Promoting Uganda Anti-Gay Bill] Video, below contains audio recording, photos, and transcript from Rick Warren's April 17, 2005 speech......
By Bruce Wilson (6 comments)
Julius Oyet Touts The College of Prayer
A new Talk To Action story identifies Apostle and bishop Julius Oyet as a major player in the recent effort in the Ugandan parliament to pass a draconian anti-gay bill. In this video [transcript......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Mark Silk on the Hagee / Rodriguez Entente
Mark Silk, at Spiritual Politics has picked up on my notice of the Hagee-Rodriguez embrace and zeroes in on what's certainly one of the most notable aspects: "The key thing to understand about the......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Inscribing Christian Values in our Children Before Birth?
Following the evolution of evangelical discourse as it re-defines homosexuality as evidence of "fallen creation", Terri Murray looks at how the Christian right have shifted their rhetoric to adapt to empirical research showing that......
By TMurray (0 comments)
US News & World Report Showcases Creationist Ray Comfort
US News and World Report's Dan Gilgoff has charitably provided evangelist Ray Comfort a media platform in the form of a US News & World "exclusive" through which Comfort defends his efforts to distribute,......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Atheist billboard in Central Florida
The organization "Atheists of Florida" sponsored a billboard promoting atheism in Lakeland, Florida.  I, however, have some concerns. ......
By ArchaeoBob (3 comments)
Transcript: Billy Graham and Richard Nixon, February 21, 1973
The following is my own transcript of a 20 minute phone conversation between Richard Nixon and Billy Graham, on February 23, 1973. As far as I am aware this is the only publicly available,......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Rifqa Bary being sent back to Ohio now
Well, there's a change in this case.  After the judge gets immigration documents and so on from the parents, he will send her back. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
The War on The War on Christmas Goes To Pot
The first day of Fall could be considered the official launch date for the annual war on the war on Christmas, which represents a significant part of the the American Family Association business model......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
School Officials off the hook
Today it is reported that the judge excused the school officials who violated the agreement they had over separation of Church and State. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
Dominionists trying to outlaw birth control
Well, they're at it again in Florida. ......
By ArchaeoBob (6 comments)
No Danger for Rifqa Bary
The FDLE just completed an investigation and found "no credible reports of threats" against Rifqa Bary. ......
By ArchaeoBob (1 comment)
Truth hitting the mainstream!
I've despaired of ever seeing anything critical or exposing Dominionism hit the mainstream press.  There is now an exception. ......
By ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
Extremism?
The term extremism is currently in vogue to describe hate groups and other malcontents listed as such by knowledgeable monitors like SPLC and others in the T2A sidebar, but while we all know what......
By Jay Taber (2 comments)
My Netroots Nation Panel Talk
Where Do We Stand in the Bright Light of History? Netroots Nation August 14, 2009 Thank You, Professor Ledewitz, for initiating this discussion of a progressive vision for church and state -- and Netroots......
By Frederick Clarkson (0 comments)
Transcript, Jan. 18, 2009 Steven Anderson Sermon Excerpt
Note: the sermon excerpt video and transcript below, from a January 18, 2009 sermon by pastor Steven Anderson of the Tempe, Arizona Independent Baptist Church, begins at approximately 21:30 into Anderson's  one hour, four......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
More anti-Muslim provocation
The local paper reports that students in Gainsville, Florida are wearing T-shirts with "ISLAM IS OF THE DEVIL" printed on them. ......
By ArchaeoBob (1 comment)

More Diaries...


Donate to or support
Talk to Action

Left Behind: Eternal Forces: Installments of Jonathan Hutson's Talk To Action expose series on the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game have been viewed by up to 1/2 million people. See our site section featuring Over 35 original articles covering the controversial "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game that has provoked a boycott by a coalition of religious groups and a letter writing campaign urging Walmart to stop selling the game. Media inquiries click here
(image: detail from Francoise Dubois' rendition of the Bartholomew's Day Massacre reveals the actual nature of religious warfare)