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Extreme Lobbying : Southern Baptists' Richard Land Defends Nazi Analogies
By Rob Boston Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 12:12:00 PM EST printable version print story
Earlier this month I criticized some offensive comments about health-care reform made by Richard Land, the top lobbyist for the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC).

Land, speaking to the Christian Coalition of Florida during a Sept. 26 banquet, blasted President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats, remarking, "I want to put it to you bluntly. What they are attempting to do in health care, particularly in treating the elderly, is not something like what the Nazis did. It is precisely what the Nazis did. Let's remember, the first 10,000 victims of the Holocaust were not Jews, they were mentally handicapped German children who were gassed and burned in ovens because they were considered to have...lives unworthy of life."



Land went on to compare Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the president's chief health-care advisor, to Josef Mengele, a Nazi doctor and SS officer notorious for his vile experiments on human subjects during the Holocaust.

Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League wrote to Land and criticized him for his appalling comments. Land stepped away from them - sort of.

But Land's contrition was short lived. One week later, he was at it again. Baptist Press, the SBC's news service, reported that Land "has no plans to stop pointing out where the reasoning behind health care reform proposals intersect the ideologies held by those in history who failed to appreciate the preciousness of all human life."

The Baptist Press went on to say that Land "still believes there are connections to be made between some underlying philosophies held by the Germans and others in the first half of the 20th century, and certain elements under discussion in the health care reform debate today."

Land also lashed out at Richard V. Pierard, a former Indiana State University history professor, who had criticized his comments in a column on Ethics Daily. Land accused Pierard of attempting to censor his speech and set himself up as a "speech czar."

In fact, Pierard, an expert on modern German history, merely pointed out why Land's comments were so off base and offensive.

Nowhere in his column did Pierard say Land should not be permitted to speak - only that his comments were misguided and uniformed, which they were. Land responded by haughtily defending his right to dredge up the Nazis whenever he sees fit.

What's to be done about all of this?

I'd like to see the SBC hand Land his walking papers. The man is an embarrassment and is not fit to speak for the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

The fact that Land's dismissal is unlikely to happen is just further proof of how truly extreme the SBC has become since it was taken over by far-right fundamentalists in the 1980s.

So I'll settle for a moratorium on Nazi comparisons.

A group of religious leaders has proposed just that. In an open letter noting Land's remarks and similar comments by other public figures, the band of Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders wrote, "The Holocaust was a tragic event in which the Nazis systematically murdered 6 million Jews. The Nazi regime that perpetrated this mass genocide was one of the most horrific in world history. There is no place in civil debate for the use of these types of metaphors. Perpetrators of such language harm rather than help both the integrity of the democratic process and the credibility of religious commentary."

I understand that Americans have different opinions about health-care reform. A mature nation should be able to discuss that (or any other issue) with civility. That quickly becomes impossible when Nazis are dragged into the picture.

Land has the right to say any fool thing he wants. But he ought to realize that his Nazi comparisons are adding nothing of value to the debate over health care and add more poison to the nation's already toxic public square.




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Actually, I'm fairly sure he does. But for the gravity of the subject matter this would be a farce.

by Bruce Wilson on Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 12:36:57 PM EST

... I was very much reminded of Frederick's post "Demonization is Different than Incivility".

by ArchaeoBob on Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 12:41:49 PM EST

...are a prime example of what happens when Critical Thinking and Analysis are no longer taught in schools.
His statements would have been seriously challenged by my high school teachers (Christian Brothers Academy) as well as all of the college level history professors that I've had.
IMO, the best way to deal with Land and others like him is to start with the challenge "On what facts do you base your opinion?" Put the onus on them to produce whatever evidence they have to support their assumptions.

by Frank Frey on Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 03:51:59 PM EST

What Land has got himself here is a winning strategy (for him). Let's review how it works.

1. Rile up the base with extreme remarks. Triple bonus points if you can work in name-calling, animal sounds or fart noises.
2. The next step is defiance and "standing by" your words (or noises).
2a.) Alternatively, you can reassure the public you were only joking.
3. When someone widely respected calls you out in a public way (e.g. Anti-Defamation League, Congressional censure) simply apologize.
3a.) In your apology remember to stress you "never meant to hurt anyone," thus reassuring the public that you're basically a good guy, just likely to get carried away, as passionate as you are about what you believe in.
4. Meanwhile, any critics lower on the food chain should be lambasted for trampling on free speech.
5. In less public settings, continue to reassure the base that you really meant it, and the apology was just for show.
6. Rinse and repeat.

Warning: Should be attempted only by trained professionals. Do not try this at home.

The above methodology has become widely popular in recent years - some would say especially in the past 12 months - employed not only by Land, nor only in connection with Nazi analogies, but by a wide swath of pundits, spokespersons and officials. Efforts to stem the toxic tide have so far been characterized by long delays and lack of follow up. It remains to be seen if advocates for civility and integrity can devise effective counter-measures.

by pedestrian on Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 01:17:49 PM EST


At the risk of appearing controversial I will merely sat that I have seen the Nazi parallel plausibly argued. Has anybody actually looked into the Nazi policies to see whether they advocated restriction of treatment as a cost cutting measure? This is what I have seen alleged. And it is well documented that some versions of the current bill would include a panel (usually referred to as IMAC) which would evaluate Medicare treatment policies based on cost-benefit analysis.

I understand and respect the concern with trivializing the horror of the Nazi regime by inaccurate comparisons to current events. But what if the comparison has substance? Has anybody done any fact-checking?

Concerned and wondering,

-Steve


by scrocker1946 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:06:16 AM EST



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