NAR Show and Tell: Bianca Decries Joel's Army & New Apostolic Militancy
Bruce Wilson printable version print page     Bookmark and Share
Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 07:54:35 PM EST
Here's "Bianca," a professed Christian who on Youtube goes by the name aProdigalChild, decrying the new militancy associated with New Apostolic and Third Wave Christianity. During the talk, she wonders how many congregations are caught up in the religious ideas she describes. As I noted in my Religion Dispatches story, Fighting Demons, Raising the Dead, Taking Over the World, there were by AD 2000, according to World Christian Trends AD 30 - AD 2200, 295 million people in the global megablock of what the book calls "disturbingly different" (WCT, page 299) Third Wave Christianity - out of which is arising the New Apostolic Reformation [for a primer on the NAR, see this sample course session from C. Peter Wagner's AP825 "Apostles and Prophets" course, (lefthand column)]. Becky Fisher, central starring figure in the documentary Jesus Camp, is a Third Wave Christian. According to World Christian Trends, the tendency has "no connection with historic Christianity." That's a judgment call; one could say that to find precedent for Third Wave Christianity it might be necessary to go back to the time period during which was written the Biblical Book of Acts. That would be a historic link. Regardless, Third Wave and New Apostolic Christianity is very, very different from mainstream Christianity as practiced in recent centuries. (below: a video commentary from "Bianca", and a segment of "Jesus Camp", by Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady)




Display:
Bianca seems to agree with Oppenheimer and Simpson, and I am sure she agrees that dominionism= the next Christian Fascism. Right after she talks about the Islamofascist [NOT MUSLIM] training camps (like what Hamas puts on) and emphasizing the intense training, Ms. Fisher says: " Its no wonder that with that INTENSE TRAINING AND DISCIPLING that these young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I want to see young people who are dedicated to the cause of Jesus Christ as people are dedicated to Islam. I want to see them as RADICALLY LAYING DOWN THEIR LIVES for the gospel as they are doing over in Pakistan, Israel and in Palestine because, excuse me, we have the truth!" (She is basically saying: "Christian" kids need to be as dedicated for their cause as the Hamas and Fatah and Hizbollah children trainees are in their military camps. She also categorizes the peaceful Muslims with the terrorist ones by saying they are dying for ISLAM) Does Ms. Fisher mean the future of Joel's Army will look like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcaI7zQG3E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXefcvXCM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7nMZOjxyw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqs_zarGm7U Note the words INTENSE TRAINING and DISCIPLING- used to describe the Islamofascist's methods. Dogemperor's articles on Talk2action and Dailykos talk about Discipling and what it means in the dominionist context- using exact same methods as the Islamofascists to create future malleable foot soldiers who will obey their leaders' exhortations. As an aside: In Russia, military camps for kids are sometimes combined with lessons of Russian Orthodoxy before the Tsar most Russians were Orthodox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZFGCXdjxxU Note: I don't think the Russians are as belligerant as the NAR or dominionists (although Watchman on the Walls is a Russian dominionist anti gay import into the West Coast) and not all Muslims are Islamofascists.

by zowie on Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 01:40:48 AM EST

there was a good article in Saturday's Guardian about the "Kingsway International Christian Centre" Britain's largest pentecostal Church which preaches the "prosperity gospel": http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/11/kingsway-internationa l-christian-centre

by Entdinglichung on Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 03:49:49 AM EST

The view will be great to broaden and give variation the mainstream beliefs. That happens in other religion/belief too.
free advertising |job listings |memory foam mattress


by PrudentPanda on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 10:51:12 PM EST


WWW Talk To Action


Debunking "Beck U" -- Faith 102 with "Professor" David Barton
This week's class at Beck University was the second class taught by "Professor" David Barton, and, as expected, the class was packed with quite......
By Chris Rodda (0 comments)
"Pray For Newark" Is a Model For Christian Theocratic Rule in America
Consider the following short video documentary (see full story), which presents what it calls the "transformation" of Newark. Initiated by New Jersey residents Lloyd......
By Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Slamming Stone For Anti-Semitism, Media Mogul's Network Airs Pastor Who Says Rothschilds Rule World
Can anti-Semitism be effectively or credibly called out by a Jewish media titan with a controlling interest in a broadcast network that airs a......
By Bruce Wilson (7 comments)
Unintelligent By Design: Louisiana School District Considers Teaching Creationism
Members of the Livingston Parish School Board in Louisiana may be on the verge of making a huge mistake - one that could cost......
By Rob Boston (5 comments)
Who Thinks the Culture Wars are Over? Take the Quiz.
The claims that the Religious Right is dead and that the Culture Wars are over are as ubiquitous as they are poorly supported.  We......
By Frederick Clarkson (19 comments)
Gingrich's Fear of a Secular Socialist State
Fox News's favorite commentator and Religious Right darling Newt Gingrich has come up with a new popular book.  The Late Jerry Falwell welcomed Newt......
By wilkyjr (4 comments)
Netanyahu Admits To Blocking Peace Process. Meet His Anti-Semitic American Ally
Will the recently released video showing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stating that he conspired, against US President Bill Clinton, to undermine the Oslo......
By Bruce Wilson (5 comments)
Mel Gibson's Troubles = A Weakened Religious Right? Oh, That's Rich!
In his most recent  New York Times op-ed columnist Frank Rich declared über-traditionalist Catholic movie star Mel Gibson's fall from grace to be "good......
By Frank Cocozzelli (13 comments)
MRFF vs. Sectarian Supremacism and Anti-Government Conspiracists in the U.S. Chaplain Corp
A compilation of past articles, video, and documentation on sectarian Christian supremacism and anti-government conspiracy theorists in the U.S. Military Chaplain Corp. Given the......
By Rachel Tabachnick (10 comments)
Karl Rove, Grant Jeffrey Headlined Summit Hosted By CUFI Canada Co-Chair
This summit took place on June 25 -27 and is old news, but since it failed to make it into U.S. media, I think......
By Rachel Tabachnick (1 comment)
Vatican Diverts Attention from the 'Hide-the Pedophile' Scandals by Attacking Women's Ordination
The New York Times recently reported that the Vatican, while revising its laws on disciplining pedophile priests, simultaneously pronounced "...that ordaining women as priests......
By Frank Cocozzelli (7 comments)
They Cast Out Demons & Burn "Witchcraft Items," and They're Taking Over Entire States
[editor: This story is about a radical right wing movement in charismatic Christianity that claims to fight demons but, leaving demonology aside, is demonstrably......
By Bruce Wilson (45 comments)
Glenn Beck's "Jews Killed Jesus" Claim Is a Classic Anti-Semitic Lie, Says ADL
On Tuesday of this week during the Glenn Beck Show, Beck stated the following: "Jesus conquered death. He wasn't victimized. He chose to give......
By Bruce Wilson (13 comments)
Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle Informs Gay Rights Activists They're Second-Class Citizens
"Why is it that the people who came to the Capitol building in support of the gay community and HB444 were required to obtain......
By Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
"Debunk U" Study Guide - Lesson 1
In order to keep pace with Glenn Beck's new online university "Beck U," which has provided a "Recommended Reading" list and "Class Notes" for......
By Chris Rodda (2 comments)

Why is it worth $70 million to ordain 58 men?
The Archdiocese of Denver recently ordained five new priests bringing the total to 58 men commissioned to serve in Northern Colorado who had been trained in its two seminaries. Based upon the 2000 through......
bettyclermont (0 comments)
Nationally Famous Dog-Beating Moralist Offers Advice On Raising Girls
Nationally known Focus on the Family founder James Dobson has a new book out with advice on raising girls, Bringing Up Girls. Over the past several decades, Dobson has become a trusted authority on......
Bruce Wilson (3 comments)
Documents related to atheist lawsuit
Here is a link through the local paper to some of the documents connected with the lawsuit by the Atheists of Florida against the city of Lakeland, Florida. ......
ArchaeoBob (1 comment)
Who Do You Blame For The Holocaust ?
Who was really responsible for the Holocaust ? It's a question people have been asking since before Milton Meyer's 1950's landmark book, featuring post-WW2 interviews with average Nazi Party members, They Thought They Were......
Bruce Wilson (1 comment)
Rampaging Atheist Horde Targets Christianity, Warns "Biblical Dinosaur" Expert Ken Ham
As Young Earth Creationist impresario Ken Ham wrote in a July 6th post on his Answers in Genesis web site, "Recently, atheists met at a conference in Copenhagen and released what they call their......
Bruce Wilson (3 comments)
Texas again
Radical conservatives are launching an attack on Texas higher education by way of a so called "transparency law" in Texas colleges and universities. ......
cloyd (3 comments)
Churches trying to get Oil Money
This news article states that some churches are already seeking money from BP because of the oil spill, and others are considering it.   ......
ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
Bad news in Florida
Florida has done it again.  The legislature passed a law that went into effect today protecting the "right to public prayers". ......
ArchaeoBob (0 comments)
GOP Congressional Candidate Friends With "Execution By Stoning" Advocate
Running for a seat in Oregon's 4th District, Congressional candidate Art Robinson has proposed dumping crude oil waste and radioactive waste at sea, and he advocates that children read a racist 19th Century novel......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
What Letter Does Socialism Start With? Satan? Sodomy? Soccer? Satan's Gay Socialist Soccer Plot
It's really hard to tell whether Youtube poster BillyBobNeck is on the level or not - could his videos be satire ? His 102 videos to date have titles like "murderous gay nazi cannibals,"......
Bruce Wilson (4 comments)
"We must never APPEAR to be attempting to rob anyone of their rights"
Given the current disturbing growth of the U.S. imperial presidency, you might think this headline was a leak from the bowels of the CIA or the NSA. But in fact, it concerns the dark......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Law of the Land
US Supreme Court upholds UC Hastings School of Law prohibition on subsidizing student organizations that practice discrimination. ......
Jay Taber (0 comments)
Denver's Catholic Foundation and Its Implications
Many US Catholic dioceses have affilitated foundations - separately incorporated religious non-profits - to make additional funds available to the bishop at a time of dwindling "Sunday collections" and to shelter assets from lawsuits......
bettyclermont (2 comments)
Dueling "Godly Smiting" Theories Blame Gulf Oil Disaster On Gays, Not Supporting Israel
As a breathless World Net Daily story asks, "Is there a spiritual, biblical connection to the BP oil catastrophe? A new video on YouTube is suggesting a possible link to the disaster due to......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Rand Paul's Health Care Vision Is Sue Lowden's "Chickens For Health Care" Lite
In a September 2009 television appearance Republican Kentucky U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul proposed that the American health care system needed a healthy dose of capitalism. In a 1999 letter to the editor of......
Bruce Wilson (1 comment)

More Diaries...




All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments, posts, stories, and all other content are owned by the authors. Everything else © 2005 Talk to Action, LLC. Powered by Scoop