NAR Show and Tell: Bianca Decries Joel's Army & New Apostolic Militancy
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 07:54:35 PM EST
Here's "Bianca," a professed Christian who on Youtube goes by the name aProdigalChild, decrying the new militancy associated with New Apostolic and Third Wave Christianity. During the talk, she wonders how many congregations are caught up in the religious ideas she describes. As I noted in my Religion Dispatches story, Fighting Demons, Raising the Dead, Taking Over the World, there were by AD 2000, according to World Christian Trends AD 30 - AD 2200, 295 million people in the global megablock of what the book calls "disturbingly different" (WCT, page 299) Third Wave Christianity - out of which is arising the New Apostolic Reformation [for a primer on the NAR, see this sample course session from C. Peter Wagner's AP825 "Apostles and Prophets" course, (lefthand column)]. Becky Fisher, central starring figure in the documentary Jesus Camp, is a Third Wave Christian. According to World Christian Trends, the tendency has "no connection with historic Christianity." That's a judgment call; one could say that to find precedent for Third Wave Christianity it might be necessary to go back to the time period during which was written the Biblical Book of Acts. That would be a historic link. Regardless, Third Wave and New Apostolic Christianity is very, very different from mainstream Christianity as practiced in recent centuries. (below: a video commentary from "Bianca", and a segment of "Jesus Camp", by Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady)




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Bianca seems to agree with Oppenheimer and Simpson, and I am sure she agrees that dominionism= the next Christian Fascism. Right after she talks about the Islamofascist [NOT MUSLIM] training camps (like what Hamas puts on) and emphasizing the intense training, Ms. Fisher says: " Its no wonder that with that INTENSE TRAINING AND DISCIPLING that these young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I want to see young people who are dedicated to the cause of Jesus Christ as people are dedicated to Islam. I want to see them as RADICALLY LAYING DOWN THEIR LIVES for the gospel as they are doing over in Pakistan, Israel and in Palestine because, excuse me, we have the truth!" (She is basically saying: "Christian" kids need to be as dedicated for their cause as the Hamas and Fatah and Hizbollah children trainees are in their military camps. She also categorizes the peaceful Muslims with the terrorist ones by saying they are dying for ISLAM) Does Ms. Fisher mean the future of Joel's Army will look like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcaI7zQG3E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXefcvXCM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7nMZOjxyw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqs_zarGm7U Note the words INTENSE TRAINING and DISCIPLING- used to describe the Islamofascist's methods. Dogemperor's articles on Talk2action and Dailykos talk about Discipling and what it means in the dominionist context- using exact same methods as the Islamofascists to create future malleable foot soldiers who will obey their leaders' exhortations. As an aside: In Russia, military camps for kids are sometimes combined with lessons of Russian Orthodoxy before the Tsar most Russians were Orthodox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZFGCXdjxxU Note: I don't think the Russians are as belligerant as the NAR or dominionists (although Watchman on the Walls is a Russian dominionist anti gay import into the West Coast) and not all Muslims are Islamofascists.

by zowie on Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 01:40:48 AM EST

there was a good article in Saturday's Guardian about the "Kingsway International Christian Centre" Britain's largest pentecostal Church which preaches the "prosperity gospel": http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/11/kingsway-internationa l-christian-centre

by Entdinglichung on Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 03:49:49 AM EST

The view will be great to broaden and give variation the mainstream beliefs. That happens in other religion/belief too.
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