Quotes from the Apostles on "Social Transformation" in Context of the 7M Campaign
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 09:45:32 AM EST
A conference on "Social Transformation" took place at Harvard on Friday and Saturday featuring leading New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) Apostles Lance Wallnau, Bill Hamon, Pat Francis, and Os Hillman.  All four travel internationally promoting the "Reclaiming the Seven Mountains" campaign and are considered to be experts on "workplace" or "marketplace apostles."  Transformation is not a generic term to the NAR but a brand used in the title of training videos, books, conferences and organizations.  As seen in the following quotes from leading apostles, promoting "social transformation" equates with gaining political and societal power or "Christian dominion."  They advertise their charitable activities, but these are secondary to their primary purpose - the mandate to take dominion over society and government, a mandate that includes driving out those they believe to be (literally) under the control of demons.
[Note: I will be adding additional links later today, 4/3/11.]

It would be a mistake to identify these apostles as individual evangelists who occasionally make hateful statements. The New Apostolic Reformation is a movement with well organized international campaigns. The apostles speaking at Harvard all promote the "Reclaiming the Seven Mountains" campaign. Bill Hamon, Pat Francis and Lance Wallnau spoke, for instance, at the 2009 Give Me This Mountain conference, advertised with the phrase,

"Possess your promised inheritance in government, family, business, education, arts & entertainment, media and religion." 

The Meaning of Transformation

Bill Hamon's 2010 book titled Prophetic Scriptures Yet to Be Fulfilled: During the 3rd and Final Reformation is advertised as follows,

You will learn about the fascinating transformation to the seven mountains of culture and how every nation will become either a sheep or a goat nation. In the end, the restoration of all things spoken of by the apostles and prophets will release Jesus to return and set up His domain over all the earth.

Hamon writes,
"Apostle Ed Silvoso of Argentina is a major pioneer in this Third Reformation, especially in the field of transformation of nations.  He wrote a book called Transformation that gives the best teaching and examples of how all this can become a reality.  He has also made 12 DVDs portraying people who have brought transformation in the mountains of business, government, and in some of the other mountains.  I was a speaker at Ed's conference in Argentina in 2008.  Hundreds of businessmen, government officials and many other major Christian leaders attended.  They were committed to the transformation message that is one of the major truths of the Third and Final Church Reformation.  Cindy Jacobs wrote a book on ways and means of establishing God's Kingdom called Reformation Manifesto."

Os Hillman also credits Ed Silvoso with being a pioneer of "transformation," as defined by the apostles.

"When it comes to city transformation, it is hard to write about the subject without acknowledging Ed Silvoso, founder and president of Harvest Evangelism."
You can see video of the conference led by Ed Silvoso and referenced in Hamon's quote above at Bruce Wilson's Transforming Uganda.  For numerous quotes on Transformation from Silvoso and other apostles see Quotes from Ed Silvoso and Other NAR Apostles About Transformation.

In Prophetic Scriptures Yet To Be Fulfilled Hamon claims that the Final Reformation (New Apostolic Reformation) was decreed by God in 2008.  

"The Third and Final Apostolic Reformation began with the Saints Movement.  It is transitioning the Church into demonstrating and implementing the Gospel of the Kingdom for disciplining the nations and bringing transformation to the seven world kingdoms, which are being illustrated as the `seven mountains' of business, education, government, media, family, religion, and entertainment.

...Christ's Third Church Reformation and purpose to fulfill God's original mandate to subdue all things, to take dominion and fill the earth with a mankind race in God's own image and likeness..."

Bill Hamon writes about the formation of the International Coalition of Apostles (to which all four New Apostolic leaders speaking at the Harvard conference belong) and the leadership of Convening Apostles C. Peter Wagner.

"Peter Wagner was brought forth as a pioneer apostle to help propagate the ministry of apostles and prophets.  He wrote several books on the apostle and apostolic ministry.  Apostle Peter also spearheaded an organization called the International Coalition of Apostles.  I served with Peter as one of the Apostolic Council members from its founding to the present.

... Peter Wagner states that he believes that the year 2001 was the time the Apostolic Movement reached its critical mass, for it was the time when thousands of ministers and churches around the world openly recognized present-day apostles and prophets."

The goal of the apostles in this "Final" or "New Apostolic Reformation" is stated clearly in C. Peter Wagner's 2008 Dominion: How Kingdom Action Can Change the World ,

"Social transformation is the battle cry for the Second Apostolic Age."
-page 37

Under the heading "Social Transformation," Wagner states,

"I would like to argue that social transformation, along with its derivatives, might be the most useful term.  Some have used other terms like city taking, city reaching, transforming culture, renewal, restoration, or redeeming the city.  Each of these terms has a merit, but I feel they tend to scatter us instead of bringing unified focus.  With heavyweights like George Otis, Jr. (the Transformation series of videos), Luis Bush ("Transform World") and Alistair Petrie (Transformed!) using it, the term social transformation seems to be gaining acceptance.

Wagner continues,

Once we agree that social transformation is a useful term, we must also agree on what we mean by it and how we measure it.

Social Transformation and the Dominion Mandate

According to Wagner and the NAR apostles, transformation can only take place by pursuing the "dominion mandate."  Furthermore dominion can only be achieved by Christians who join together to purge society of demons, in what Wagner and the apostles call "Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare."   In brief, what Wagner is saying is that societal ills will be overcome when evangelical Christians around the world take control over all societal and governmental institutions and purge them of those things and people which they view as evil. Wagner continues,

"It seems to me that if we allow halfhearted, anecdotal measurements of transformation based largely on unprofessional enthusiasm, we put ourselves in danger of watering down the true message of the Kingdom of God, which is for us to take dominion."

-page 54-55

Wagner acknowledges in his books that many evangelicals want nothing to do with Dominion Theology, nevertheless, he is unapologetic about dominion as the goal of the NAR.

"The practical theology that best builds foundation under social transformation is dominion theology, sometimes called "Kingdom now."  Its history can be traced to R.J. Rushdoony and Abraham Kuyper to John Calvin.  Some of the notable attempts to apply it in our day have been made by Bob Weiner, Rice Broocks, Dennis Peacocke, and others.  Unfortunately the term dominion theology has had to navigate some tough waters in the recent past.  A number of my friends, in fact, attempted to dissuade me from using dominion in the title of this book, fearing that some might reject the whole book just because of the title."

"We have now shed our inhibitions over theologizing about taking dominion.  Dominion theology is not a flashback to Constantinian triumphalism, but it is a new call to action for a triumphant Church.  

...Satan has polluted the land and cursed it.  Satan has deployed high-ranking demonic powers to darken the spiritual atmosphere over society and to block the freedom of heaven flowing to earth.  Both of these arenas need to be and can be cleansed spiritually.  We have the tools to do it, we have the gifted personnel to do it and we have the power of the Holy Spirit to do it.  It will be done!

Wagner concludes Dominion with the following statements,

"Through the years, some attempts to transform society have worked better than others.

...One of the more promising strategic changes relates to the Church in the workplace.  It could well be that apostles of the workplace, if creatively activated, will turn out to be one of the strongest missionary forces we have ever known.

...With them [workplace apostles] in place, we can expect that God will release the wealth of the wicked that He has been promising to the righteous, large sums of wealth that will be used to bring about significant, measurable transformation.

...Taking dominion to facilitate social transformation is an exciting venture."

Os Hillman's endorsement of Wagner's  2006 book The Church in the Workplace: How God's People Can Transform Society states,

"In The Church and the Workplace, Peter Wagner has provided us with a solid validation and thorough biblical understanding of the current work and faith movement."
Wagner states on page 38 of The Church and the Workplace,

"New that we have social transformation on our evangelical agendas, it is time for action.  I regard 'social transformation' as the concept term.  However, the action term that will best set us on the road toward that goal is 'taking dominion.'"

In the foreword to Os Hillman's book The Faith@Work Movement, C. Peter Wagner states describes why the apostles have not yet been successful in transforming cities,

"For years we have sought after transformation of our cities.  We have prayed, held pastor-prayer conferences, prayer-walked our cities, etc.  Still not one U.S. city has been transformed.  Why is that?  I feel I finally know the answer to that question.  It lies in the fact that pastors and church leaders do not hold authority in the cities where the change must originate.  Business and government leaders hold that authority."

Apostle and founder of International Transformation Network Ed Silvoso describes the transformation process in the Adrogue suburb of Buenos Aires,

"The reason is that the churches operate 24/7 all over the marketplace.  Each block has a shepherd assigned to pray for and minister to every resident.  Every business and school campus has been adopted in prayer.  Key government officials have someone interceding for them.  The church has taken control of the marketplace and, by extension, of the city itself." -Transformation (Kindle version, 699-701)

Wagner, again in Dominion, describes Lance Wallnau as drawing his attention to the need to transform "seven molders of culture."  He quotes Wallnau,

"If the world is to be won, these are the mountains that mold the culture and minds of men.  Whoever controls these mountains controls the direction of the world and the harvest therein."

Charity as a Vehicle for Taking Dominion

Charitable activities are a way of getting a foothold in communities.  The following is from Cindy Jacobs at a conference in Indonesia in 2008:

"We have what we call the Seven Mountains mandate.

...I'm commissioning you to become super wealthy.  If you own the businesses of your country you control what goes on in your country.

You know what's going to happen.  One day in our countries there not going to say, 'Those Jews, you know they're so wealthy.'  There going to say, 'Oh you know those Christians, everything they do turns to gold, right?'

I mean, Look at that. They funded this university. Their name is on that hospital.  I have a dream. In the city of Dallas, one day there's going to be a group  of entrepeneurs that work together.  We're going to go the hospital and say,  What's the most expensive piece of equipment you need and buy it.    We're going to go to the symphony and say how much does it cost for a whole year of your programs and were going to pay for it.  We're going to go to the poorest schools and say what is your greatest need, probably computers or whatever, and we're going to do it.   Until every single sector of society is funded by us, and we become the head and not the tail.

...Listen the tail gets dragged around.  Aren't you tired of being dragged around."

See the article on "The Head and Not the Tail," a biblical phrase used frequently in reference to the Seven Mountains Campaign and interpreted as a mandate for dominionism.

In The Church in the Workplace, Wagner describes the role of charity in "social transformation" in a description of the work of Eddie Long (recently in the press due to charges that he pressured young men in his church into relationships with him).  Long heads his own apostolic network of churches.  Wagner states,

"Eddie Long, pastor of the 25,000-strong New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, has a passion for social transformation.  His goal is clear.  It is reflected in the title of his powerful book on the subject:  Taking Over.  Long writes, "Jesus took away Satan's keys and power at Calvary, and it is up to us to come behind and subdue and take dominion over every evil work and every servant of evil."

Wagner quotes Long on the process through which Long's church is gaining influence through charitable activities.

"The New Birth congregation finances and operates vital support programs in the city and pumps large sums of money and thousands of volunteer hours into key areas such as youth offender intervention programs, public-school programs, and support and outreach programs for homeless women and children.

...This in turn is causing us to gain major footholds in the city infrastructure,... the criminal court system, public high schools, the Georgia State Senate, the United States Senate, and even into the White House itself."

C. Peter Wagner is 80 years old and is in the process of turning the leadership positions in the NAR over to other apostles.  Che Ahn is now the head of Wagner Leadership Institute (WLI), an international network of apostolic training centers teaching prophecy, spiritual warfare, demon deliverance and faith healing.  All four of the NAR apostles speaking at Harvard are part of the WLI.

In an interview Che Ahn describes the need to be "the head and not the tail."

"I just had the privilege of meeting with the president of South Korea who is an apostle on the government mountain.

... Then he became mayor of Seoul and when he became mayor of Seoul he dedicated the city to Jesus Christ and he got a lot of criticism by the  Buddhists and he said, `You know, this is my faith and I did what I did and I'm not going to take it back.'  When you get to the top you can do some radical things for the Lord and unfortunately many of us are not at the top.  And so, Deuteronomy 28:13 says we are to be the head and not the tail.

If we share something concerning Christian values, we are persecuted because we are not at the head.  Once we do get to the head, all of the sudden we can make decrees and declarations and we can influence that whole mountain."

In a segment of Pat King's Extreme Prophetic TV broadcast, she introduces Lance Wallnau, the motivational guru for the Seven Mountains by saying:

"The Lord is coming back for a glorious church, he's coming back for an overcoming church, a church that is the head and not the tail, above and not beneath, a church that knows how to possess and occupy.  Our good friend Lance Wallnau is going to share a message with you to today on the seven mountains that are available for the church to conquer, and conquer we will!"

Lance Wallnau begins,

"The Seven Mountains are - it's almost like its a template for warfare.  Because the church so frequently does not have a language for how it goes about taking territory...

The Seven Mountains is not my message.  I think its a mandate given to me from Loren Cunningham and Bill Bright spiritually.  Because these two titans in evangelism took youth movements, young people, whether it was Youth With A Mission with Loren or Campus Crusade with Bill Bright.  And they literally mobilized the next generation in their day to go evangelize the world.   God visited those two men and showed them seven kingdoms, seven mountains, that if they would focus on it, the next generation could take nations."

Wallnau claims that it would only take 3 -5% of people aggressively working in any given location to create a tipping point and gain control over the seven sectors of government and society.  The 2010 video is currently on Os Hillman's Marketplace Leaders website.

The Great Wealth Transfer

As noted in a previous article on the Social Transformation conference at Harvard, Lance Wallnau, Os Hillman, and Pat Francis are regular speakers at the annual Kingdom Economic Yearly Summit or KEYS.  This is an event with the stated purpose of "Mobilizing God's  Marketplace Army" through teaching biblical entrepreneurship and to prepare for the "great wealth transfer" in which the apostles believe wealth will be shifted from the ungodly to the godly.

The KEYS conference is advertised as "Reclaiming the 7 Mountains Using the Kingdom Keys."  The introduction page begins,

"God is preparing His bride, the body of Christ, for unprecedented wealth transfer."

The introduction continues,

"God is calling the church - both corporately and individually - to arise from slumber and become more united, intentional, and strategic in order to reclaim the seven societal/cultural mountains/spheres of influence and authority, and their respective gates and gatekeepers. This process will require prayer, time, leadership, unity, integrity, holiness, strategy, courage, wisdom, favor, and finances to effect lasting transformation. Kingdom financial models and infrastructure are required as part of the foundation."

The presentations at Harvard, including  Pat Francis's session on Friday, emphasized the concept that believers in their brand of transformation should be wealthy.  C. Peter Wagner writes in Dominion,
"I once heard Apostle Pat Francis of Kingdom Covenant Ministries in Toronto say that her goal is to help every member of her church become a millionaire.  She says, 'Their mission is to obtain wealth with wisdom and prosperity for Kingdom purposes.'

The statement is followed by a section titled "The Chain of Wealth Transfer" in which Wagner describes his plans in preparation for the "great transfer of wealth."  Wagner notes that "Transforming society costs money."  And adds (also quoted above),
"With them [workplace apostles] in place, we can expect God will release the wealth of the wicked that He has been promising to the righteous, large sums of wealth that will be used to bring about significant , measurable social transformation.

In The Church in the Workplace, Wagner credits Bill Hamon with delivering him from the "malicious demon" of poverty.  Hamon is also considered an expert on workplace apostles or "faith-at-work."  Wagner states,
If apostles in the extended church will lead the warfare to transform society, what are the battlefields on which they will fight?  This question comes up from time to time in the faith-at-work literature.  Ed Silvoso frequently pinpoints three, namely business, government and education.  I used to have a list of 16. Bill Hamon enumerates the battlefield as well:
`I believe there are apostles of finance, technology, medicine, industry, education, the military, government, law, communications, business, trasportation, nuclear science, agriculture, and a hundred other segments of society.'"
Wagner continues,
We all agree that the society to be transformed is not just one big conglomerate, but a unified whole that is made up of several vital pieces, each one of which must take its own path toward transformation.  These segments of society should be seen as apostolic spheres."

Taking the Seven Mountains Away from Satan

Today's New Apostolic campaigns are focusing on seven major spheres.  In presentations about the Wallnau claims that today the Seven Mountains are held by those working for  "a minority of ruling elites that satan appoints over these spheres."  In a KEYS production, Wallnau specifies that this includes institutions from the National Education Association to Hollywood.

In a  Seven Mountains training module, Wallnau states,

"Satan has a vast hierarchy and infrastructure of influence under his control.  That whole system is designed to keep you from utilizing your own advantages as a believer in Jesus.  Nevertheless, if you're playing the game right, you can win every time.  But you cannot afford to be less than 100% engaged.  You don't displace a Level 10 devil with a Level 9 strategy!"

Wallnau continues,

"So when Jesus calls His apostolic company and says, Behold, I send you, and I give you authority to heal all manner of sickness, and I give you authority over all manner of unclean spirits,  that means that He has given you authority as part of His apostolic  company to go in to remove the garbage and eradicate the rats, creating a healthy culture where the presence of garbage no longer draws rats.

You have authority to deal with all the types of sickness and to displace all the species of demons
that have proliferated within the satanic occupation of our seven mountain territories because of what's come through those gates in the past.

Who are the rats who must be displaced in this model?  Who is controlled by demons?   According to Wallnau this demonic invasion includes Islam and homosexuality. But the NAR does not stop there. If you study the media of the pioneering apostles of the movement, some of the major targets of the NAR apostles are freemasonry and Roman Catholicism, as well as all non-Christian religions and other philosophies.

The Transformations series of movies show examples of spiritual warfare against a transcendental meditation center, for instance, which is claimed to have spontaneously burned down following the prayer warriors' rituals.  The apostles include many accounts in their media of their prayers supposedly resulting in the supernatural destruction of buildings of worship, icons, and even death of humans they consider evil.  Even the artifacts of previous cultures must be destroyed, according to the transformation principles of the NAR as demonstrated in the Transformations series of videos and in numerous accounts from apostles around the country.

Leading apostles travel around the world on "spiritual warfare" ventures which are supposedly attacking the demons which prevent Roman Catholics and non-Christians from being evangelized.  The following are quotes from leading apostles recounting their spiritual warfare exploits against the demon which they claim controls Roman Catholicism.  Also see "Killing Mother Teresa with their Prayers."

Demonizing Roman Catholicism and Other Religions

Cindy Jacobs wrote the following about her spiritual warfare in San Nicholas:

" A couple of months ago while I was writing this book, I was asked by Harvest Evangelism to go to the city of San Nicholas, Argentina. Harvest Evangelism is headed by Ed Silvoso, one of the foremost authorities on the subject of reaching entire cities for God.

... A stronghold of the Queen of Heaven was present in the city. This demonic spirit that counterfeits as Mary had appeared there and told the locals she wanted a grand cathedral built. People came from all over the world to worship her there."

This account from Cindy Jacob's Voice of God can be read at Catholic Reason.  


From Warfare Prayer, by C. Peter Wagner (1992)

"In the city of Santiago del Estero, a local priest decided to oppose the [evangelistic] crusade by invading the area with a religious procession. When they arrived, the four strong men carrying the statue of the priest's favorite virgin all fell tot he ground under the power of the Spirit and the statue shattered into a thousand pieces. Two of the men spent the night in the hospital and the other two in [evangelist Carlos] Annacondia's deliverance tent!

This is warfare prayer in action."


Another leading apostle is Chuck Pierce who has also gone on excursions to battle the "Queen of Heaven." The following is taken from Pierce's Glory of Zion website concerning a trip made by leading apostles to the Spanish cathedral Santiago de Compostela during the pilgrimage event.

"The Queen of Heaven is the spiritual force controlled by the Prince of the Power of the Air that motivates Jezebel in the earth realm. In other words, the Queen is the spiritual force.  A Jezebel type is a physical force or person doing the Queen's bidding to bring havoc, to seduce and to control the governments in the earth. Every time there is a great spiritual advance of the Kingdom of God in the earth in one of the nations where we have met and praised and prayed, we know that we have gained a new level of authority in the earth realm over this structure that would stop God's government from advancing.

I am so excited about Santiago de Compostela. I see this from a prophetic standpoint. Millions of people from multiple countries make pilgrimages to Santiago believing that James will intercede for them and that their sins will be forgiven. James supposedly "appeared" here after his death. The Queen of Heaven is using this false worship of James to hold many in darkness."

Continued in another report,

"As you may recall from our prior trips, the priests swing the largest incense burner in the world from one side of the cathedral to the other.  However, our guide told us that seven days earlier the rope that suspends the immense incense burner began to fray and they had to stop presenting their daily incense offerings for fear of the rope totally severing.

Since it was the height of the pilgrimage season, the cathedral was pressing to have it back by that weekend. But the fabrication of the new rope was not complete. We knew this was a sign from the Lord that the incense offering to the Queen of Heaven had been halted, and that He had sovereignly opened the way for a true offering of worship to Jesus Christ.

This WAS an incredible sign."

Ed Silvoso on evangelicals in Latin America:

"Of all the nations in Latin America with a sizable born-again population, Guatemala is at the very top. It is estimated that between 47 percent and 52 percent of the people are evangelicals - and when born-again Catholics are added to the numbers, the percentage can easily reach 75 percent. That means that three out of four Guatemalans are saved."-Transformations (Kindle version, location 701-703)

Almolonga Guatemala was featured in the first movie in the Transformations series and included Apostle Harold Caballeros, a past candidate for president of the country.  Jim Rutz, a supporter of the NAR's Transformation efforts wrote an article for WorldNetDaily titled City Transformation on a Scale Never Seen Before, repeating the claims of the apostles that 95 -98 percent of Almolonga's population had been converted after breaking the power of the demon Mashimon, resulting in miraculous transformation of their society.  Rutz writes,

"Okay, you've heard revival stories before. But today's revivals are transformation."
The mini-utopias featured in the Transformations series and media do not hold up to fact-checking. What is clear is that "social transformation" in the lingo of the NAR is an effort to promote Christian supremacism, often camouflaged as charitable activities, but with the goal of eliminating all other belief systems and anything else which the Apostles view as demonic.



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by trog69 on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 03:03:43 PM EST

To me and many others being under either of them or any other form of dictatorship is wrong and bad. Like different flavors of poison. They just kill you in different ways. None of them are good for you. And this poison is spreading and little is said about it in corporate media. I wonder why? The USA runs the risk of falling into some kind of Christian supremacist corporate theocracy. Now that is a danger not only to us but the world at large.

by Nightgaunt on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 05:13:29 PM EST

I find the implications of the following two quotes rather chilling.

First, the mentioning of a "mankind race":
"...Christ's Third Church Reformation and purpose to fulfill God's original mandate to subdue all things, to take dominion and fill the earth with a mankind race in God's own image and likeness..."

Second, the vague mentioning of rats:
" ...that means that He has given you authority as part of His apostolic  company to go in to remove the garbage and eradicate the rats,..."

I think it is not at all a far stretch to think that "eradicating rats" is a metaphore for eliminating certain kinds of people that are considered "garbage" and "rats".

Questions - does the phrase 'mankind race' have any history? What more is said on this topic within the NAR literature?

RAHilliard

by rahilliard on Mon Apr 04, 2011 at 03:52:03 PM EST

... and I want to provide a rather extensive response and additional quotes, so I'm going to follow up with another article. I will try to post it by tomorrow afternoon.

by Rachel Tabachnick on Mon Apr 04, 2011 at 09:27:25 PM EST
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I've posted my response to the first question in an article titled The NAR Apostles and Manifest Sons of God Theology:  Training the Army of the Lord.  I will address the second question in my next article.  I'm glad that you asked these questions!

by Rachel Tabachnick on Tue Apr 05, 2011 at 02:43:07 PM EST
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An old friend and former colleague, a major computer programmer for the -a S.E. state- Board of Regents (now retired), who happens to be a devoted lifelong pentecostal made an interesting comment about these folks during a chat last week. He said that Biblically, THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRIST, that in fact their new-found search for "demons", "occult activity" and need to stamp out ALL COMPETITION IN A SPIRIT OF CRUSHING DOMINATION while under it all is a deep and serious commercial and political agenda proves it. Having been brought up in similar extreme fundamentalist conditions with Bible study from age 5, I've got to say - he's dead right, based "on the Scriptures". This really set me thinking. Jesus strongly preached against almost everything the NAR and related cultists teach and preach, and the arrogance of their occult power lust competes with "Old Nick" himself in satanic pride and arrogance. I'm a Buddhist these past 34 years (and PCA Presbyterian of 29 years for my dear wife's happiness), and free of the meme, but my whole view of these folks has suddenly changed. They are, *by their own definitions*, the very root of evil... Where are they getting all these demon names and lineages - I'll tell you where, they're making them up! Almost all their statements and commentaries on other religions, beliefs, and organizations (like the Freemasons) is just loony made up nonsense! And the "bottom line" is that all their websites and "ministries" are about the bottom line... Pass the money plate please...

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Cognitive Dissonance & Dominionism Denial
There is new research on why people are averse to hearing or learning about the views of ideological opponents. Based on evaluation of five......
By Frederick Clarkson (5 comments)
Will the Air Force Do Anything To Rein In Its Dynamic Duo of Gay-Bashing, Misogynistic Bloggers?
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The Legacy of Big Oil
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By wilkyjr (0 comments)
Gimme That Old Time Dominionism Denial
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By Frederick Clarkson (4 comments)
History Advisor to Members of Congress Completely Twists Jefferson's Words to Support Muslim Ban
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By Chris Rodda (6 comments)
"Christian Fighter Pilot" Calls First Lesbian Air Force Academy Commandant a Liar
In a new post on his "Christian Fighter Pilot" blog titled "BGen Kristin Goodwin and the USAFA Honor Code," Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan......
By Chris Rodda (0 comments)
Catholic Right Leader Unapologetic about Call for 'Death to Liberal Professors' -- UPDATED
Today, Donald Trump appointed C-FAM Executive Vice President Lisa Correnti to the US Delegation To UN Commission On Status Of Women. (C-FAM is a......
By Frederick Clarkson (2 comments)
Controlling Information
     Yesterday I listened to Russ Limbaugh.  Rush advised listeners it would be best that they not listen to CNN,MSNBC, ABC, CBS and......
By wilkyjr (4 comments)
Is Bannon Fifth-Columning the Pope?
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By Frank Cocozzelli (3 comments)
Ross Douthat's Hackery on the Seemingly Incongruous Alliance of Bannon & Burke
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By Frank Cocozzelli (2 comments)
`So-Called Patriots' Attack The Rule Of Law
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Bad Faith from Focus on the Family
Here is one from the archives, Feb 12, 2011, that serves as a reminder of how deeply disingenuous people can be. Appeals to seek......
By Frederick Clarkson (6 comments)
The Legacy of George Wallace
"One need not accept any of those views to agree that they had appealed to real concerns of real people, not to mindless, unreasoning......
By wilkyjr (6 comments)
Betsy DeVos's Mudsill View of Public Education
My Talk to Action colleague Rachel Tabachnick has been doing yeoman's work in explaining Betsy DeVos's long-term strategy for decimating universal public education. If......
By Frank Cocozzelli (7 comments)
Prince and DeVos Families at Intersection of Radical Free Market Privatizers and Religious Right
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Respect for Others? or Political Correctness?
The term "political correctness" as used by Conservatives and Republicans has often puzzled me: what exactly do they mean by it? After reading Chip Berlin's piece here-- http://www.talk2action.org/story/2016/7/21/04356/9417 I thought about what he explained......
MTOLincoln (5 comments)
Fear
What I'm feeling now is fear.  I swear that it seems my nightmares are coming true with this new "president".  I'm also frustrated because so many people are not connecting all the dots! I've......
ArchaeoBob (6 comments)
"America - love it or LEAVE!"
I've been hearing that and similar sentiments fairly frequently in the last few days - far FAR more often than ever before.  Hearing about "consequences for burning the flag (actions) from Trump is chilling!......
ArchaeoBob (6 comments)
"Faked!" Meme
Keep your eyes and ears open for a possible move to try to discredit the people openly opposing Trump and the bigots, especially people who have experienced terrorism from the "Right"  (Christian Terrorism is......
ArchaeoBob (8 comments)
More aggressive proselytizing
My wife told me today of an experience she had this last week, where she was proselytized by a McDonald's employee while in the store. ......
ArchaeoBob (5 comments)
See if you recognize names on this list
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ArchaeoBob (3 comments)
Unions: A Labor Day Discussion
This is a revision of an article which I posted on my personal board and also on Dailykos. I had an interesting discussion on a discussion board concerning Unions. I tried to piece it......
Xulon (5 comments)
Extremely obnoxious protesters at WitchsFest NYC: connected to NAR?
In July of this year, some extremely loud, obnoxious Christian-identified protesters showed up at WitchsFest, an annual Pagan street fair here in NYC.  Here's an account of the protest by Pagan writer Heather Greene......
Diane Vera (3 comments)
Capitalism and the Attack on the Imago Dei
I joined this site today, having been linked here by Crooksandliars' Blog Roundup. I thought I'd put up something I put up previously on my Wordpress blog and also at the DailyKos. As will......
Xulon (2 comments)
History of attitudes towards poverty and the churches.
Jesus is said to have stated that "The Poor will always be with you" and some Christians have used that to refuse to try to help the poor, because "they will always be with......
ArchaeoBob (13 comments)
Alternate economy medical treatment
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ArchaeoBob (5 comments)
Evidence violence is more common than believed
Think I've been making things up about experiencing Christian Terrorism or exaggerating, or that it was an isolated incident?  I suggest you read this article (linked below in body), which is about our great......
ArchaeoBob (7 comments)
Central Florida Sheriff Preached Sermon in Uniform
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ArchaeoBob (2 comments)
Demon Mammon?
An anthropologist from outer space might be forgiven for concluding that the god of this world is Mammon. (Or, rather, The Market, as depicted by John McMurtry in his book The Cancer Stage of......
daerie (2 comments)
Anti-Sharia Fever in Texas: This is How It Starts
The mayor of a mid-size Texan city has emerged in recent months as the newest face of Islamophobia. Aligning herself with extremists hostile to Islam, Mayor Beth Van Duyne of Irving, Texas has helped......
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