Samuel Rodriguez, the New Apostolic Reformation, and Apostolic Government of the Church
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With the recent press coverage, some leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) have denied their involvement, including Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference.  He has been a member of the elite International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) and, despite his denials to journalist Greg Metzger, that is just one component of his participation in the structure and ideology of the NAR.  Although he is an ordained pastor with Assemblies of God, Rodriguez is the apostolic authority over a group of ministries, and he is, in turn, under the apostolic authority of Apostle Steve Perea. Perea is, in turn, part of the Kingdom Leadership Network of ICA Apostle Pat Francis of Toronto.  Regular readers of Talk2action will be familiar with Francis as the apostle screaming "We put our foot on Hawaii ...We will rule!" at a 2009 International Transformation Network conference attended by Hawaiian political candidates.
First, who and what is the NAR?  The New Apostolic Reformation is the name given by C. Peter Wagner to a rapidly growing movement with a distinct ideology.  Two major distinguishing features of the movement are briefly summarized below, followed by additional documentation of Rodriguez's investment in the movement.

The New Apostolic Reformation

1)  A shift to belief in a God-given mandate to take control over the social and governmental institutions in the earthly realm.
This is not the only "Dominionist" movement and it is markedly different from others such as Christian Reconstructionism.  The NAR's Charismatic Dominionism is taught through the vehicle of Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare  or SLSW, and campaigns including the Seven Mountains Mandate and the Transformations movies and entities.

These are used to popularize the belief that followers must take "dominion" over society and government.  Leadership borrows the "Kingdom" language of the social gospel and liberation theology and describes the movement as promoting righteousness and social justice. Simultaneously they teach that societal ills will be cured miraculously once they have achieved religious supremacy and suppressed other forms of belief. They generally promote Tea Party-style anti-government, anti-regulatory, anti-safety net, and anti-tax policies, while marketing themselves as champions of the poor.

The movement is successfully embracing minority groups through a reconciliation strategy which has been described in detail in New Apostolic books and training materials.  Racial discrimination is replaced with religious discrimination, sometimes described in terms of "spiritual DNA" and claims that people of other belief systems are controlled by demonic spirits.
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2) A "restoration of apostolic government of the church."
This is also described in detail in dozens of books published by C. Peter Wagner and major apostles. (A partial list follows the article.)  Historically, evangelical churches have been fiercely independent and democratically governed.  Note that the term apostolic has several different meanings, but in the NAR's usage of the word it means restructuring churches - both their internal structure and their relationships to other ministries.

Apostolic government requires that pastors and congregations be under the authority of apostles in what is essentially a "shepherding" structure, stripping the congregational leadership of some of their governing authority.  The term shepherding has been replaced with "spiritual covering" or "apostolic covering."  Apostolic and prophetic authority structures are now being developed in all spheres of culture or the Seven Mountains in addition to the nuclear church.  Claims that apostles and prophets have authority over the ordained leadership of a church, along with other practices continued from the Latter Rain and Shepherding movements, have been rejected by some Pentecostal denominations including the Assemblies of God.

Apostolic government in Protestantism is not a new idea.  For example, a movement restoring the office of apostles emerged in Germany in 1863 and still survives as the New Apostolic Church International, unrelated to the NAR and with the bulk of its membership in Africa.  There have been other movements based on this idea, but the current New Apostolic movement is unprecedented in size and scope.

The shift to apostolic government is called the restoration of the "five fold ministry" and is based on in an interpretation of Ephesians 4:11-13.  Wagner claims the "office of prophet" was restored during the 1980s and the "office of the apostle" in the 1990s.  He views apostolic government or the "biblical government of the church" as necessary for the "great wealth transfer" from the ungodly to the godly and key to dominion over the earth, as shown in the graphic above right.

The NAR is not limited to the International Coalition of Apostles ICA or even all of the entities initiated by C. Peter Wagner and shown in the chart below, distributed in 2007.
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Since this chart was created, Wagner has turned the ICA over to John P. Kelly and helped initiate a new network called Global Spheres led by Chuck Pierce. Pierce describes Global Spheres.

"Now, as we have shifted, I serve as President of Global Spheres, Inc., and Peter serves as Vice President and Doris as a Board Member. However, anyone invited to join Global Spheres, Inc. will be aligning with all three of us, and not any of us individually. This will create a new Apostolic-Prophetic-Evangelistic-Deliverance Governmental Structure that will be ready to be used in the nations."
 
New Apostolic Reformation is the term Wagner has given to this movement that encompasses hundreds of similar apostolic networks around the world, but not everyone uses Wagner's exact terminology.  Another common term for the movement is "apostolic and prophetic."

Samuel Rodriguez and Apostolic Government

The ICA is an elite, by-invitation-only group of apostles and prophets from the U.S. and worldwide. Membership is by invitation of the Convening Apostle and involves a process described on the website. Although the membership list is no longer accessible to the public, the website describes the ICA as a network for "confirmed apostles" to interact, with the secondary purpose of training "emerging apostles."  Regardless of which category Rodriguez was assumed to be, he would not have been invited without significant apostolic credentials. His name was on the published lists in 2009 and 2010. The claim that Rodriguez could be an ICA member without being part of the New Apostolic movement is illogical.

Rodriguez is an ordained Assemblies of God minister and spoke at the 2000 World Triennial of the AOG, coincidentally the same year that the AOG's guidelines against the "deviant teachings" of Latter Rain and the Shepherding movements were restated.  C. Peter Wagner summarizes these statements in his book Apostles Today: Biblical Government for Biblical Power.

"During the post-World War II phase, their General Council [Assemblies of God] in 1949 decreed that 'The teaching that the Church is built on the foundation of present-day apostles and prophets' is 'erroneous.' This was reiterated in their General Council of 2000 when the denomination declared that the `teaching that present-day offices of apostles and prophets should govern church ministry' is a 'departure from Scripture' and a 'deviant teaching.'"

The apostles and prophets disagree with the Assemblies of God statement, including many now inside the AOG and other Pentecostal denominations, and have rapidly advanced their apostolic networks into the churches of these and other denominations.

Rodriguez provides apostolic covering for the Third Day Believers Network or 3DBN. For instance, the website of one 3DBN church in New York, led by Daniel and Nancy Delgado, states,

Apostolic Covering
Our spiritual covering is Bishop Samuel Rodriguez.  He is the founder of the Third Day Believers Network.  We are part of Third Day Believers Network.  3DBN is a Five Fold Global Network of The Leaders of Revival and Renewal brought together by Covenant Relationships.  This is not a denomination.  We remain independent and sovereign in our governance.

A 3DBN webpage states,

"Our vision will bring together the 12 most anointed apostles in every nation of the Western Hemisphere by the year 2010 and every nation of the world by the year 2020."

And another 3DBN page states,
"3DBN enriches the Kingdom of God with one of the most powerful 5 Fold Networks on the Planet."

This is an ambitious statement for one small network among hundreds, if not thousands of networks worldwide and the last update on the website appears to be 2009. (The featured video is Samuel Rodriguez asking candidate Barack Obama a question about abortion in the "Compassion Forum" debate in 2008, sponsored by Faith in Public Life.)

Rodriguez's apostolic overseer is Apostle Steve Perea, who oversees the 15 churches in the West Coast Five Fold Network, including the New Season Christian Worship Center started by Rodriguez and his wife Eva in September, 2010. The NHCLC shares the Sacramento address with this church.

Perea's bios regular reference the fact that he "is the overseeing Apostle to Samuel Rodriguez of 3DBN network."

Perea's bios describe him as an Apostle and Senior Pastor of the Christian Worship Center in Manteca, California. Included in this ministry is Prophetess Kerri Smith whose bio states,

"Their Five-fold revelation of the local church is transforming believers into Five-fold companies that are equipping the local church to take cities."

Perea is one of the international directors of the  Kingdom Leadership Network of Toronto-based Apostle Pat Francis.  Francis has been featured on Talk2action.org numerous times before.  She is a member of Global Spheres and a leading international apostle in the area of the business and government mountains. She speaks regularly at the Kingdom Economic Yearly Summit (KEYS), including the 2010 summit held at Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colorado (pastored by Christians United for Israel director George Morrision).  The event was advertised as,

"It is a set and appointed time in 2010 for the Church to hold its third Kingdom Economic Yearly Summit, just as the nations of the earth hold the World Economic Forum each year. Summits are governmental gatherings where apostolic leaders declare, decree, legislate, negotiate, set policy, plan the future, discuss issues, enter into agreements and treaties, and form alliances and coalitions. As such, it is an intentional, strategic assembly of warriors, leaders and generals who are supernaturally taking the Kingdom of God by force and advancing it in the marketplace on earth as it is in Heaven."

In January 2012, apostles from the U.S. and Canada will be gathering in Waikiki for the 11th Annual International Apostolic Leadership Summit.  These are apostles from a number of networks, including the ICA and others, invited by the hosts, Emanuele and David Cannistraci of Apostolic Ministries International. Leading apostolic invitees include: Pat Francis; Steve Perea; Jay Swallow, Native American apostle and endorser of Rick Perry's The Response; John Benefiel, head of the Heartland Apostolic Network and endorser of Rick Perry's The Response;  Lee Grady, former editor of Charisma (David Cannistraci is part of Grady's spiritual covering); Bill Hamon, a leading apostle with his own international network; Francis Oda, co-chair of Ed Silvoso's International Transformation Network and co-founder of  Transformation Hawaii; and Dennis Peacocke.

Steve Perea, Samuel Rodriguez and David Cannistraci headlined the 2009 West Coast Gatherer's Five Fold Conference, advertised on the Elijah List website.  Elijah List is the website of Steve Schultz, a prophet in the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders, and is used to regularly publish conferences and major "prophetic words."  The conference is advertised,

"The goal of this event is not to identify those in the governing offices, but rather is to equip Believers with an understanding of their apostolic, prophetic and evangelistic gifting and how to activate these anointings so that we can become a Church that is operating in completeness."

Cannistraci's bio for the conference reads,

"His first book, Apostles and the Emerging Apostolic Movement, has been widely received as a foundational work on the subject of contemporary apostolic ministry."

The 1998 book states that denominationalism is slowly dying and that "church growth analysts are beginning to identify apostolic networks as a modern movement."

Denials

Greg Metzger questions whether calling Rodriguez a part of the NAR is guilt by association.  Rodriguez is one of a number of leaders who have tried to distance themselves from the movement when questioned by journalists.  In a recent interview with Stephanie Samuels of the Christian Post, Harry Jackson stated,

"...there is not enough organization within the NAR to be considered a movement."

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However, in a series of sermons titled "The Movement: The Apostolic Mandate," and advertised as "Bishop Harry Jackson speaks on the Apostolic Movement," Jackson states,

"I believe that God is going to do something with a connected group of apostolic leaders...  I believe that there are going to be many networks that God is going to raise up and use in this nation and nations of the world  and they are going to align together apostolically so that there will be corporate blessing upon them to shake certain nations and uproot that which is decadent and decaying and plant the works of the Lord."
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Jackson has been on the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE) for years and can be seen in the graphic at right with C. Peter Wagner and leading prophets including Cindy Jacobs and Sarah Palin's mentor, Mary Glazier. The ACPE was formed from a gathering titled "The National School of the Prophets: Mobilizing the Prophetic Office for the Next Century" held on January 28 -30, 1999, and originally included C. Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle, Cindy Jacobs, Barabara Wentroble, Bill Hamon, and others.  

According to Metzger, Rodriguez claimed to be barely involved and ignorant of the agenda of the Oak Initiative, and similarly characterized his membership in the ICA. Given his regular participation in apostolic and prophetic events and with major national and international NAR leaders, this defies belief.  Following is a small, but not exhaustive sampling.

Note that the events labelled as conferences and summits are not academic-style gatherings of a wide range of viewpoints, but more like combination training/revival meetings, as seen in the video of Pat Francis at the 2009 ITN conference in Hawaii.

Rodriguez and the NAR

Rodriguez resigned from the Oak Initiative this month.  Apostles and prophets on that board include Rick Joyner, Cindy Jacobs, Bob Weiner, Ardell Daniels, Lance Wallnau, and Negiel Bigpond.

Cindy Jacobs, one of the original pioneers of Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare and Wagner-initiated apostolic entities, serves on the advisory board of the Rodriguez-led National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference (NHCLC).  Mark Gonzales, who is under the apostolic covering of Mike and Cindy Jacobs, is Vice President for Governmental Affairs for the NHCLC.  

Gonzales heads the Hispanic Prayer Network and was an advisor to the presidential campaign of John McCain. Gonzales is on the advisory board of the Tom Schueter-led Texas Apostolic Prayer Network with Cindy Jacobs, Alice Patterson, and Chuck Pierce.

Cindy Jacobs initiated the 21-day Cinco de Mayo Prayer Initiative in 2011 under the auspices of her U.S. Reformation Prayer Network (USRPN) one of the "prayer warrior" networks led by NAR apostles in all 50 states. The initiative was led by Mark Gonzales and included the participation of his Hispanic Prayer Network and Rodriguez's NHCLC. The event at the end of the 21 days was held at Christ for the Nations, the institute founded by the late Gordon Lindsay, a Latter Rain Movement leader, and included the participation of Apostles John Benefiel and Jay Swallow.

Mark Gonzales is also on the Apostolic Council of the USRPN as well as the Emerging Leaders Group of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.

A conference titled Blend: Christian Against Racism was sponsored by Cindy Jacobs, Harry Jackson, and Samuel Rodriguez, and promoted on the website of the NHCLC. This is the same Cindy Jacobs who has overseen burning or destruction of items of other religious beliefs including Roman Catholicism; claimed that her prayers can destroy other people's icons; and claims that Rick Perry's prayer event removed the curse from land in America.  She claims the land was held by demonic powers because Native Americans were cannibals.

In 2005, Rodriguez was a featured speaker with Apostle Bill Hamon at Michael Pitt's Shift: Heaven on Earth event in Toledo, Ohio. Hamon teaches Manifest Sons of God theology, similar to that taught in the Latter Rain forerunner of the NAR. In his book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God, (with a foreword by C. Peter Wagner), Hamon states,

"God is preparing His Church to become an invincible, unstoppable, unconquerable, overcoming Army of the Lord that subdues everything under Christ's feet."

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Harvest Fest 2010 was sponsored by Rick Joyner's MorningStar Ministries and Todd Bentley's Fresh Fire Ministries. (See video of Todd Bentley's alignment ceremony led by C. Peter Wagner and leading apostles. One and Two) Featured speakers were Rodriguez, Joyner, Bentley, Bob Jones, and Ed Silvoso.  

Silvoso heads the International Transformation Network and is one of the pioneers with Wagner and Jacobs of strategic level spiritual warfare.  In 1999, Silvoso originally convened what would become the ICA.  Bob Jones (no relation to the university founder of that name) was one of the Kansas City Prophets from the 1980s and is credited with the prophecy leading to the development of Mike Bickle's International House of Prayer.

Rodriguez was also a featured speaker at Rick Joyner's Harvest Fest 2009 Worship and Warfare Conference with Apostles Heidi Baker, Lance Wallnau, and Bob Weiner. Wallnau is credited by C. Peter Wagner with developing the Seven Mountains Mandate campaign and travels the world promoting it.
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Rodriguez is scheduled to speak with Matt Sorger and Jim Goll, author of the book at right, in Ottawa in June, 2012.  Goll was one of the Kansas City Prophets and author of The Coming Prophetic Revolution.  Both Goll and Sorger are identified as prophets and Goll is a member of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.

Rodriguez joined the advisory board of Lou Engle's TheCall prior to the TheCall San Diego in 2008, which was focused on supporting California's Proposition Eight. By the end of the day-long event, Engle was calling for martyrs from the stage. In May 2010, Lou Engle took TheCall to Uganda, where speakers promoted the "kill-the-gays" bill. In this video promo for TheCall Sacramento, held in September, 2010, Rodriguez talks about his participation in TheCall in Washington D.C. ten years earlier. The list of advisors is now inaccessible to the public, but TheCall is listed as a partnering organization of the NHCLC.  Lou Engle is a prophet and a member of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.

Also see Rodriguez's promotional video for Rick Perry's August 6 prayer rally, The Response, an event patterned after TheCall and orchestrated and led by apostles and prophets.

Again, this is far from an exhaustive list of Rodriguez's NAR activities, but should be enough to indicate that Samuel Rodriguez is fully invested in the apostolic and prophetic movement that has been dubbed by Wagner as the New Apostolic Reformation. In the last two weeks, I have been accused of McCarthyism and worse, despite my repeated statements that this movement is not representative of American evangelicalism.  It is time for those evangelicals who do not want others to lump them together with the NAR and their activities, to quit attacking the messengers who are warning of this threat to religious pluralism and separation of church and state. Attacking the messengers will only add to the perception that other evangelicals support the Dominionist agenda of the NAR. Denials and suppression of this information will only help advance the steady march of the NAR into more communities, churches, and denominations.

Also see:
Oak Inititiative Confirms Resignation of Co-Founder and Vice President Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez and the Oak Initiative - Marketing Religious Supremacism as Social Justice

Questions Persist About Rev. Samuel Rodriguez

List of books by leading apostles and prophets on apostolic government of the church:

Churchquake:  How the New Apostolic Reformation Is Shaking Up the Church As We Know It, by C. Peter Wagner
Apostles and the Emerging Apostolic Movement, by David Cannistraci
Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God, by Bill Hamon
Apostles Today, Biblical Government for Biblical Power, by C. Peter Wagner
Moving in the Apostolic: God's Plan to Lead, by John Eckhardt
Apostles and Prophets:  The Foundation of the Church, by C. Peter Wagner
The Apostolic Ministry, by John Eckhardt
The Restoration of the Apostles & Prophets and How it Will Revolutionize Ministry in the 21st Century, by Hector Torres
Coming Prophetic Revolution, by Jim W. Goll
Pastors & Prophets: Protocol for Healthy Churches , contributions from C. Peter Wagner, Mike Bickle, Tim Hamon, Kingsley Fletcher, and Stephen Mansfield




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Rachel, this is a great list of Rodriguez/NAR events--I was unaware of a few of these. No doubt there are more, still, to be found. Here are a few others I thought I'd toss in:

In one of his higher-profile appearances, Samuel Rodriguez called in to participate in the Family Research Council's nationally telecast, December 16, 2009 "Prayercast" against Health Care Reform, led by The Call co-founder Lou Engle, and Bishop Harry Jackson, who serves with Engle on the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.

The "Prayercast" was especially notable in light of the fact that it roughly coincided with Rodriguez' co-founding (with Rick Joyner) of the Oak Initiative, which, as you've detailed, has viciously attacked President Barack Obama's health care reform efforts, portraying them as part of a conspiracy to impose on America a constabulary force similar to Hitler's brownshirts.

Rodriguez' promotion of the Oak Initiative launch has been aggressive enough to gain local press coverage, such as a September 16, 2010 Muskegon Chronicle story which quoted Rodriguez as saying, "[The Oak Initiative] is a Christian-based movement based on righteousness and justice. It's nonpartisan".

Along with apostles Lou Engle and Cindy Jacobs, Samuel Rodriguez is listed, on the NHCLC's own web site, as co-leading a November 3, 2010 church event, in Santa Ana, CA. The event was under the auspices of the "Hispanic Pentecostal Congress", a spinoff from Rodriguez' NHCLC. Other attendees included NHCLC leaders Jesse Miranda, Jim Tolle, and Wilfredo DeJesus.

by Bruce Wilson on Sat Sep 24, 2011 at 06:50:48 PM EST

Samuel Rodriguez' NHCLC bio, as captured by the Internet Archive, included the following "highlights":

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*Rodriguez is the Global Overseer of Third Day Worship Centers International.
*Rodriguez provides Apostolic Covering and Oversight through Covenant Relationship to Apostles and Pastors around the World.
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by Bruce Wilson on Sun Sep 25, 2011 at 12:38:59 PM EST
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There is no doubt that there has been and continues to be a huge transfer of wealth in our nation over the past thirty years from the middle and lower classes to the extremely wealthy. Does the NAR view this as the beginning of fulfillment of their prophecy regarding transfer of wealth from the ungodly to the godly? Do they teach the corrolary ~ that anyone who has accumulated great wealth has, by virtue of having done so, demonstrated personal godliness? Are there specific links to articles that would discuss this particular doctrine in detail? Thanks very much for any additional information on this topic.

by MLouise on Sat Sep 24, 2011 at 11:03:35 PM EST
I have most of Wagner's books, but I was looking for something you could access online.  See The Church in the Workplace on Google Books and look for "wealth transfer."  

http://books.google.com/books?id=lqrhbEO1RbAC&printsec=frontc over&dq=the+church+in+the+workplace&hl=en&ei=S59-TpWK MMXx0gH2lqUC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum =1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

by Rachel Tabachnick on Sat Sep 24, 2011 at 11:28:30 PM EST
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Thank you so much for the link. I've read as much of the chapter on wealth transfer as is available in the preview on line, and I'm still having trouble believing that anyone could read the Bible and draw his conclusions. It would be almost humorous if it weren't so dangerous.

I don't even know how one would talk with someone who is so literalist and unreflective. When I consider that thousands (millions?) of people read his writings and believe what he says, it gets really scary.

One part of my question that seems to be answered in the negative is whether this system of thought looks at extremely wealthy persons and assumes that wealth indicates their godliness. It appears that wealth has to be received by individuals and then a portion of it donated to NAR causes in order to qualify as godly. Is that a fair reading of it?

I'm trying to understand all this so that I can take the next step of finding a way to help counter it. Other than telling people about the talk2action website and encouraging them to become informed, are there other suggestions for actions by us common folk?

by MLouise on Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 09:39:02 AM EST
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http://debatingobama.blogspot.com/2011/09/tabachnick-was-right-i- was-wrong-and.html In this new post I further clarify and correct my reporting on this story. Thanks to Rachel and Talk to Action. I am still glad he resigned from Oak Initiative, but I stand corrected on my understanding of his involvement with NAR ideology and practices, and he was clearly wrong about his limited Oak Initiative work. Great work.

by gregmetzger on Sat Sep 24, 2011 at 11:32:37 PM EST

It seems that the NAR has layer upon layer of purported 'apostles'!  Impressive to say the least.
Me, I think I will stick with Jesus Christ and his original 12.  They did a much better job of converting a lot of people than these guys and gals seem to be doing.

I read the religious news regularly and only Talk 2 Action seems to be getting the word out on these people.  Perhaps they are not as important as they think they are.  And Perhaps they aren't sent out by Christ but by Mr. Wagner? And what do the present faculty at Fuller think of him now?

by rdrjames on Sun Sep 25, 2011 at 07:42:33 PM EST


http://debatingobama.blogspot.com/2011/09/tabachnicks-plea-to-eva ngelical-leaders.html I took Rachel's last paragraph and used it in a plea up on my blog this morning. She is right on target.

by gregmetzger on Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 12:06:56 PM EST
It seems that they DO support the dominionists... under the guise "But they're a CHURCH, they can't be THAT BAD!".

In spite of catching dominionist steeplejackers on a regularly basis (he told me that he threw around 10 "newcomers" out of the parish on a yearly basis because they'd be caught trying to get people to change churches - to Pentecostal), the priest of the Episcopal church we used to attend STILL allowed the dominionist "ministry students" to be active, to attain "positions", and even preach from his pulpit on occasion.  I'd warned him about the training that the "ministry students" go through - on how to steeplejack churches, exactly what to do, what to say and what not to say, and so on (and all of this was specific to the denomination/church they were being trained to infiltrate).  I told him that the Episcopal church was one that was specifically targeted by the dominionists.  I know - I used to hang out with the students being so trained when I was Pentecostal, and they told me of their training and even pointed out the "professors" who did the training one time (it was very hush-hush and never be told to anyone... a denomination secret).

The last time we attended that Episcopal Church, they had a special "Intelligent Design" service where the speaker said that they needed to "teach the God of the Bible in the schools" (DIRECT QUOTE) - to which he got a standing ovation from 90% of the church.  During the same evening, one lay leader advocated murdering all gays, and another told me that I couldn't claim to be Christian and accept evolution.  We walked out and never returned.

So, yes, I firmly believe that most Evangelicals support them, but I think it's because they're willfully ignorant on how dangerous the dominionists really are.


by ArchaeoBob on Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 11:27:26 AM EST
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Eugene Delgaudio may lose his day job as Virginia county supervisor
Surprised no one's noticed this, but one of the nation's most virulent homophobes is in a fight to keep his day job.  Eugene Delgaudio is best known as the head of Public Advocate......
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Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents
This caught me by surprise. I guess times are a changin in Dixieland. ------------------------------------- Cross posted from the HRC blog. Starkville Becomes First City in Mississippi to Pass Resolution Recognizing LGBT Residents January 21,......
COinMS (0 comments)
Robert Knight: Running against evolution could potentially be a winner for the GOP
In one of the starkest instances yet of how far gone the religious right is, one of its leading activists thinks that he's found another potential wedge issue that could drive more people into......
Christian Dem in NC (2 comments)
First Catholic official convicted in child sex abuse scandal has conviction overturned
Last year, Monsignor William Lynn, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's secretary for clergy, was convicted of reassigning a priest whom he knew had molested a young boy to a parish that had a school attached......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)
Quotes From Sarah Palin 'War on Christmas" Book v. Quotes From 1920s Anti-Jewish Propaganda
The point of this comparison is not to cast Sarah Palin as a Nazi. Rather, my intent is to underline uncomfortable similarities between contemporary "war on Christmas" talking points propagated by elements of the......
Bruce Wilson (0 comments)
Francis sets up commission on how to deal with pedophile priests
Late yesterday Pope Francis announced--apparently after some prodding--that he will set up a panel to advise him on how to deal with child abuse by priests. The announcement was a forthright acknowledgment by the......
Christian Dem in NC (0 comments)
John Hagee: Jews will make deal with Antichrist before End Times
When John Hagee opens his mouth, you expect to hear lunacy.  An appearance earlier this month on TBN was no different.  On Friday, People for the American Way stumbled on a special prophecy-focused edition......
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Doug Phillips Resigns From Vision Forum over "Inappropriate Relationship"
Doug Phillips resigned as president of Vision Forum earlier this week, citing an "inappropriate relationship."   Phillips posted an announcement on the Vision Forum website, stating, There has been serious sin in my life......
Rachel Tabachnick (2 comments)
A Wiccan Witch In Salem
Since it's only two weeks from Halloween, I made my usual foray into Christian Right Country to find out what their plans are for this Halloween. I don't know where to be sad or......
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