Fresh Religious Supremacism from the Rev. Dr. Albert Mohler
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Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 11:51:11 PM EST
The Rev. Dr. Albert Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary has fired another salvo in the war of attrition that has been waged by a loose coalition of conservative evangelicals and neoconservative Catholics against the mainline Protestant churches for for more than a generation.  This time, Mohler has declared that the the mainline Lutheran church, called the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, (ELCA) is "not a church."

The reason for this charge is that the Lutherans in Southern California have elected a gay man, a well respected pastor and professor of theology, R. Guy Erwin, as bishop.  The ELCA had already accepted gay people as members and as clergy, so it is no surprise that someone was eventually elected as a church leader.  

Mohler, according to a report in the Louisville Courier-Journal, says ELCA only lives up to a quarter of its name.

"It is by this act and by many prior acts distancing itself by light years from the actual faith and conviction of Martin Luther," Mohler said in a Monday podcast. It has "demonstrated itself to be neither Evangelical nor Lutheran and, as G.K. Chesterton might say, not a church either. That just leaves them in America."

Fortunately for the Lutherans they are able to elect their own leaders and define what it means to be Lutheran without any help from the leadership of the Christian Right.  

Mohler's latest expression of religious supremacism is reminiscent of his year 2000 denunciation of his ally in the culture war, the Roman Catholic Church, on CNN's "Larry King Live".  Religion New Service reported:

The president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary has called the Roman Catholic Church "a false church" that "teaches a false gospel."...

     Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live," Al Mohler was speaking on Pope John Paul II's pilgrimage to Israel and his recent apologies for the past sins of the Catholic Church. While stopping short of calling the Catholic Church a "cult," Mohler said the Catholic hierarchy is unbiblical.

     "As an evangelical, I believe the Roman church is a false church and it teaches a false gospel," Mohler said. "I believe the pope himself holds a false and unbiblical office." ...

     Mohler also criticized the pope's efforts to create a dialogue with Jews and Muslims...  The pope "has actually embraced all monotheists, both Jews and the followers of Islam, as long as they're sincere within the penumbra of the gospel, within the canopy of the gospel," Mohler said. "And that is just unbiblical, and by the way, not very pleasing to either Jews or to Muslims."

I wonder what other churches Mohler does not consider to be churches.




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at least from a woman's perspective!

"Martin Luther Father of paternalistic Protestantism

The following quotes concerning the nature and role of women are from the father of Christian Protestantism, Martin Luther:

"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes." Martin Luther, Works 12.94

"Men have broad and large chests, and small narrow hips, and more understanding than women, who have but small and narrow breasts, and broad hips, to the end they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children." Martin Luther, Table Talk

"Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child-bearing, it does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is what they are there for." Martin Luther, Works 20.84

"God created Adam master and lord of living creatures, but Eve spoilt all, when she persuaded him to set himself above God's will. 'Tis you women, with your tricks and artifices, that lead men into error."

"We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman."

"No gown worse becomes a woman than the desire to be wise.""

http://www.jesuscult.com/Luther_Anti-Woman.htm

by phatkhat on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 09:10:35 PM EST
A quote from Wikipedia:
In his later years, in deteriorating health, Luther became increasingly antisemitic; writing for instance that Jewish synagogues and homes should be destroyed, their money be confiscated, and liberty curtailed. These statements and their influence on antisemitism have contributed to his controversial status.
One wonders how much misery in the world would have been avoided if the  Ten Commandments had included something about equal rights for women and not keeping slaves. Surely, something could have been put into the New Testament about not hating Jews. Instead, we got 2000 years of Jew hatred and violence against them--culminating in Adolf Hitler.

by Mel M on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 08:22:27 PM EST
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and from what I gathered this was a common sentiment...

I read some time ago (it might be in one of my books on church history) that the reason Luther and the other mainstream Christian reformists of the day persecuted the Anabaptists was because the Anabaptists said that it was sin to force people to convert (conversion at the point of a sword was sinful), and not because of their beliefs about baptism.

It was a common point of view of the time that forcing people to convert was OK.  (It's amazing how some of those ideas STILL persist today!)

The "Baptize Twice" you read or hear in some of the books was an old slander (although they would re-baptize people who had been baptized as an infant).


by ArchaeoBob on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:54:02 PM EST
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Benedict caused a stir in July 2007 by declaring "that Christian denominations other than his own were not true churches and their holy orders have no value."

Protestants-arent-proper-Christians

It appears that Catholic leaders and Mohler are engaged in a mutual non-admiration society.

by MLouise on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 09:11:00 PM EST
how true a church is to Christ's teachings can be partially determined by how inclusive they are.  If they accept others, they're more accurate.  If they insist on their own purity and the falsehood of the others, they've missed the boat.

I've heard it from both sides... and now don't want to have anything to do with either group.  I've heard the ranting against the Roman Catholic church as the "Anti-Christ" and the "Church of the Anti-Christ"... when I was in the dominionist (and fundamentalist) churches in the early 80s and late 70s, it was a common theme (especially whenever "Last Days" was mentioned - which was rather frequent).  I also was invited by a friend to attend a RC church about the same period, but rejected by the priest (openly denied me the elements and almost physically kicked me out of the church - refused to even bless me*) and caught a rant against the protestant churches from him before I was able to leave the premises.  

That last experience caused my friend who'd invited me to leave the Roman Catholic church and join a protestant denomination.

*- I'd been raised Episcopal and Methodist, and at the time had been attending an Episcopal church, so I was familiar with the service and what should have happened.


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