Did God Engineer Trump's Win?
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Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 10:30:40 AM EST

Political analysts have postulated a number of theories to explain the victory of Donald J. Trump in the presidential election: Hillary Clinton failed to energize the Democratic base, Trump tapped into a vein of hidden supporters, angry Rust Belt voters rose up, etc.

But some activists in the Religious Right have their own explanation: It was divine intervention.

The American Pastors Network (APN) issued an email press release Wednesday with the subject line, "No Other Explanation - God Worked a Miracle, as Christian Voters Spoke Loud and Clear."

"When the polls are so off and the pundits get it so wrong and we can see no other explanation for a Donald Trump victory, we can rest assured that it is God who worked a miracle," APN President Sam Rohrer said. "We knew and prayed that at the end of the day, a win - should God provide one - would be humanly impossible and all would have to thank God for His doing."

Over at OneNewsNow, a site run by the American Family Association, a columnist named Michael Brown also pinned the Trump win on the deity.

"I believe Trump has been elected president by divine intervention," wrote Brown, who is described as "a Jewish believer in Jesus...a biblical scholar, apologist, worldwide speaker, and activist."

"I'm aware, of course, that some people believe that everything happens by the will of God, which means that whoever wins the presidency wins by God's express will," Brown continued. "Yet there are times when there are so many odds against something happening, when it so greatly defies logic, that it is easier to recognize God's involvement. That, I believe, is the case with Donald Trump winning...."

Richard Land, former top lobbyist for the Southern Baptist Convention and now president of Southern Evangelical Seminary, stopped short of attributing the Trump win to God but did opine that the real estate developer's unexpected victory has headed off divine judgment.

"As a Christian, I believe that God in His mercy has decided to postpone His judgment of America and give us a temporary reprieve to turn back to Him," Land wrote. "I pray we will do so."

And a Trump shall lead them?

Look, I don't pretend to be a theologian, but I do know that Trump was victorious because he won more states in the Electoral College. I suspect swing voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan had more to do with it than the Almighty.

It's possible, of course, that God chose a bombastic former reality TV star who boasts about sexually assaulting women as his instrument. He does work in mysterious ways, after all. But call me skeptical.

Americans United members belong to many faiths, and some are non-religious. When I'm out speaking to our members, I usually advise them to stick to church-state issues when they're taking part in an AU activity. If they want to have a theological debate, there's a bar or coffeehouse for that later.

I don't want to start one of those debates here, so I'll just say this: Many believers credit God when a good thing happens, while some non-believers ask why God did not intervene to stop a bad thing from occurring. For centuries, theologians and laypeople alike have grappled with questions about God's intervention in human affairs, the nature of free will and the role of suffering in human affairs.

Those are fascinating questions. We can and will continue to debate them. But let's not stick God with Trump. The blame for that rests solely with the people who, for whatever reason, marked a ballot for him on Nov. 8.





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It was a combination of factors.  First, we had a real person running for the nomination in Bernie Sanders... someone who said the right things and whose actions backed up his words (a lifetime's worth of evidence).  He recognized and STATED OUTRIGHT that the problem people were suffering from was the elites and their greed, and that this country needed to change and the elites needed to pull their weight and stop being so selfish.  That is what social scientists have been saying all along - and the work I've done lines up exactly with what my colleagues have said.

I have been politically active and watched the campaign.  Videos, for instance, of the shenanigans in Nevada are available, uncut and unedited.  It was painfully obvious throughout the campaign that the elites did NOT want Bernie Sanders as the Democrat candidate.  You see, I've seen this before.  The Florida elites forced candidates on us that we didn't want - and look at the hell Florida has been turned into (for the poor and working people) and the jackass we have in the governor's mansion.  I listened to them when Scott won - and actually believed the elite BS and felt some (false) hope.  Never again.

I nearly stopped volunteering for the Democrats once Hillary had been nominated, even though I was terrified of the people who the Republicans put forth.  I know Trump's kind - I had flashbacks to the "Big Men on Campus" in High School (when I heard about his bragging and the video), who were the worst bullies in the school (they also had a reputation for being real ladies' men, and I witnessed several girls who'd made the mistake of dating them - crying out their pain and shame on their friends' shoulders, while the BMOCs bragged about RAPING THEM).  IMO, no matter what Trump says, he's always worse than his words.  He fits the pattern, even to his denials and claims that "it was locker room talk".  Yeah, it was - and I remember only too well how the girls they bragged about were after the weekend they described in gory detail.  (Those girls often turned vicious towards the boys who DIDN'T do that sort of stuff - as I also remember only too well - and only the "jocks" {BMOC's} ever talked like that.)

Many times the Democrat establishment tried to get me to be a "Hillary Supporter" - I sometimes made them mad because I told them the truth, I would NEVER support her and was volunteering because I was trying to keep Trump (and like ilk) out of office - I opposed Trump, but refused to say "I'm with her!".  I'm sick of the status quo and would like to see better - to have a real life.

I hoped for the best, but had bad feelings going into the voting booth.  My worst fears were realized.

You see, Hillary Clinton represented "More Of The Same!" - the status quo.   Now, I'd rather have the status quo than what Trump and the Republicans REALLY stand for (the very thing we fight against - theocracy and forcing their Christianity and themselves on everyone else). People have been conditioned to give churches a pass when it comes to  violating laws and doing evil - "But it's a CHURCH, it can't be THAT BAD!" (I am so sick of hearing that, although it's been a year or so now since I last got it).  I KNOW that the local churches were actively promoting "Get out the vote!", knowing full well that people were sick of the status quo and thinking that Christians were automatically the "Good Guys" (and non-Christians and liberal Christians were automatically suspect).  That's almost a recipe against anyone representing the status quo.

The people like me who were disgusted with having Hillary forced on us, well, some didn't show up and vote.  They were too sick and pissed off at the betrayal by the heads of the Democratic party and tired of the "same old same old".  She was NOT an agent for change and just about everyone knew it.

BTW... if anyone tries to claim that churches weren't electioneering, well, don't buy any bridges.  I saw the "Get out the VOTE!" attempts whenever I left the house, and for instance the dominionist churches I pass on the way to school had Republican signs all along their property line - almost as if they'd used a transit to place them very carefully.  I had to go to school on election day, and they also had people out standing by the road holding Trump signs and yelling at people.  They've done that every election!  (One of them is even a polling station.)

My wife and I are scared - she's afraid for the people in her synagogue as well (and for religious, sexual, and racial minorities in general).  We hear and read of things that never make the news (some crosses the radar of the SPLC, but nowhere near all of it).  We just hope that my comments on T2A (death threats and harassment drove me from other venues) don't end up with us getting bullets through our windows, "mysterious fires", or our kitties being poisoned.


by ArchaeoBob on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 11:35:18 AM EST

I would add that Trump also said the things many of the people around here WISHED they could say, but they were not powerful enough to get away with it.  As long as they think someone might get them in trouble, they keep their mouths shut.  If they think nobody is listening but their friends... then you start hearing their real thinking and language - the "n" word figures prominently (they rarely think about us Native Americans but the language isn't nice when they do), and the violent hostility towards immigrants in general, towards LGBT people, Jews, Muslims, and atheists (and especially "Libruls") comes pouring out.  Sometimes it's almost terrifying in the amount of hostility.

I walk away from those kind of conversations and missed out on opportunities because I didn't want to listen to that cr*p.  It's almost as unpleasant to experience as walking into a store and being forced to listen to a jackass of a preacher ranting on the radio, or walking out without the things I need (and can't get within 30 or 40 miles).

I think that also has a lot to do with his win.  Not as much as my first response, but yes, bigotry has a major role.  Ask any of the social scientists who study bigotry, discrimination, and prejudice.  They aren't problems of the past.


by ArchaeoBob on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 11:23:40 PM EST
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That by the election of Trump God was "postponing judgment", I wrote, "He might consider that a theologian being so devoid of a word from God that he would consider that statement prophetic actually is a form of God's judgment." Trump's man Bannon: "Darkness is good. Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power!"
My work consists of two parts: the one presented here plus all I have not written. And is precisely this second part that is the important one. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
by Xulon on Wed Nov 23, 2016 at 09:02:13 AM EST

The win for the powers of darkness, either one, and a loss from either one for us. We can't win. Bernard Sanders was the man, he is old, he is white, but the Plutocrats don't like him. Already a plus for him. He isn't evil for once. But he isn't a formal Democrat, but he is a Democratic-Socialist which is just fine. They say how could he have beaten Trump when he lost to Hillary Clinton by 3 million votes? She had been anointed by the DNC as the candidate. So of course she could not win even though those who wouldn't vote for her would vote for Sanders.

It is those 100 million estimated voters who didn't vote for either, who left off the presidential choices and filled in for those other races. I am sure there is more, but I must say things looked so strange I actually thought of the word "supernatural" it just seemed to defy all the odds. I knew that wasn't the answer. Still how could they vote for someone like Trump with his very heavy baggage of racism, sexism and of course lying. How?

by Nightgaunt on Mon Nov 28, 2016 at 08:32:16 PM EST

He is actually very much like them, except that he (as far as we know) doesn't go to church to show how holy he is, doesn't read the Bible to find ways to think of himself as somehow better or more deserving than anyone else, and he is an outright bigot, not closeted like most of the dominionists are.

You add to that the pretty overt electioneering (at best, just within the law) taking places in the dominionist churches, and the fact that so many people were disgusted with, scared of, and turned off by Hillary Clinton (even though she was light-years better than Trump), and I would add to that the possibility of Republican election fraud (they ARE known for projection, after all, and doing what they can to cheat while just barely staying within the law) and what we see would be a very likely outcome.

Could they have stolen the election?  There is official testimony that REPUBLICANS solicited the paperless election machines to be programmed that if the election in that precinct fell within certain parameters, the results would be thrown to the Republican:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOFBu-Thds

That makes me really suspicious.  Add to that Trump's assertions, and I distrust the outcome even more (he's a master of projection, and claiming that the Democrats cheated would be a battle cry for the Alt-Right and Dominionists.  If the truth (what I suspect is the truth) comes out and he lost both in the electoral college as well as in the public vote, they will insist that the courts are cheating them (even though most dominionists don't have any problem with cheating, as long as THEY benefit) and may turn to violence - as in killing or harming anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I would add that I've met too many Trump types back when I was in business.  They all had a "win at any cost" attitude, and all had horrible reputations for not paying people what they owed, while taking the benefits of having the work done by those people and making huge profits off of it.  The Trump types care nothing about others... as far as they're concerned (and this is a QUOTE), "If you aren't strong enough to survive getting screwed out of weeks worth of labor, you deserved to be put out of business anyway".  They only paid when they thought they might need your services again - and they were often late.

(The Trump types are common down here.  Part of the evidence: when it became public knowledge that we are American Indian by birth, we lost just over 60% of our customers in one month, along with threats and accusations of "misleading us about your identity!" - never mind most of them said I was the best at what I did before they found out.)


by ArchaeoBob on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 12:20:34 PM EST
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