Southern Baptists and Intelligent Design
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 09:50:13 AM EST

If there was any doubt whether Southern Baptists officially endorse Intelligent Design, Richard Land has laid those doubts to rest. Here's a quote about the ID decision in Dover from yesterday's Washington Post:
"This decision is a poster child for a half-century secularist reign of terror that's coming to a rapid end with Justice Roberts and soon-to-be Justice Alito," said Richard Land, who is president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and is a political ally of White House adviser Karl Rove. "This was an extremely injudicious judge who went way, way beyond his boundaries -- if he had any eyes on advancing up the judicial ladder, he just sawed off the bottom rung."

Richard Land is issuing American judges the same kind of threats that were used during the Fundamentalist takeover of the SBC to warn ambitious Southern Baptist pastors and educators that their livelihoods were on the line.

We haven't seen the last of Intelligent Design. Southern Baptists' chief political organizer just gave notice that America's largest non-protestant denomination intends to settle the issue at the ballot box.




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In a way, it's like keeping a garden- there will always be weeds needing to be pulled, lest they take over.

Sometimes I think that we're sliding backwards into darkness and fear. This really saddens me. I like modern medicine and things like electricity and freedom of speech. Oh, and being my own woman.

by Lorie Johnson on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 09:56:01 AM EST

There's not much room for insubordinate women in the SBC.

I'm still mystified why so many strong women, with managerial responsibilities in the working world, put up with the sexism of the SBC.

Here's a link to the weblog of a bright, young Oklahoma woman who is wrestling with this at the moment.

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"This decision is a poster child for a half-century secularist reign of terror that's coming to a rapid end with Justice Roberts and soon-to-be Justice Alito" - I know there are differing interpretations of what the Biblical commandment against "false witness" means to contemporary Christians, but surely that is not the only Biblical scripture with an imperative to truth-telling ?

I can't cite any scripture on this off the top of my head but I certainly grew up, as a Methodist minister's son, with a rather developed sense that truth telling had a central place in the Christian ethic.

What's at issue here for me is this : at what point should assertions such as Mr. Land's, as they slide into absurd levels of hyperbole, be considered to be falsehoods ?

by Bruce Wilson on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 02:06:29 PM EST

Baptists have long been accustomed to preacherly hyperbole.  It is only in the last 25 years, when it was tied to politics within and without the denomination, that the hyperbole has led to purges.

Either Southern Baptists are going to have to start challenging the use of preacherly hyperbole, or they are going to have to return to their historic doctrine of separation of church and state.  Politics and hyperbole are a volatile mix.

The rhetoric Land is using toward Judge Jones is the same rhetoric that was used against "liberals," "moderates" and anyone else who challenged the fundamentalist thrust to power in the SBC.  

There are scores of SBC denominational executives, seminary professors, missionaries and pastors who have lost their livelihoods because of rhetoric like Land's.  People who will do this with members of their own church "family," will have no compunction when doing the same to others.


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It is especially sickening when Baptists were the leaders in fighting for the Bill of Rights. Men like John Leland, and many others were against the adoption of the U.S. Constitution without freedom of religion being contained therein. They had railed against the church tax that was collected not only by the colonies, but continued under the various states after the revolution. The Episcopal Church in Virginia was the established church for that state, and everyone was taxed to support it. The same was true for most of the other states, with the exception of Rhode Island which was started by Roger Williams, who was, for a time, Baptist.

For may years the SBC was a very active member of the Baptist Joint Commission for Public Affairs. Several years ago they pulled out; now we see the plan.

The entire plan of the fundamentalist leaders of the SBC and the various state convention leaders who have not decided to go their own way, is domination.
It is an entire abandonment of "soul freedom" or freedom of the individual to choose his or her own religion and, if Christian, to interpret the Bible as he or she is led to do by study and the work of the Holy Spirit. In other words, Baptist leadership has long ago abandoned the "Priesthood of the believer" which was the main reason I was drawn to the SBC.

IT IS NOW MY FIRM BELIEF THAT THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION IS NO LONGER A BAPTIST FAITH. It is autocratic, seeking to establish a church state. It has abandoned separation of church and state. It is seeking to become the only church. Some leaders have said that all other denominations are mere sects. It has abandoned the core belief of the priesthood of the believer; it is more and more Calvinistic.  The leaders have no respect for any beliefs but their own. The new Baptist Faith and Message no longer states that it is by Jesus that we interpret our faith. It makes the Bible not a document which was written by persons inspired by God, but a book of harsh rules which must be interpreted by the SBC leadership. The Baptist Faith and Message subjugates women to an inferior position, not in keeping with the teachings of Christ.

I stood by thinking, "Well, I don't have to worry, I can run my ministry as I see fit, and I am not paid by them."  Well, they even tried to come after me and other chaplains. As of now they have made some rules that seek to reign in the Chaplains, even when Chaplains don't receive their pay from the Convention.

Intelligent Design? Well, as a Christian I do see intelligence in all of God's wonderful evolving creation.
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daerie (107 comments)
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