A New German Christianity is Born
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Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 04:41:09 PM EST
I offer the following without comment because my opinion, on what this might represent, could take many thousands of words. In short, this is footage from a German ministry near Tubingen, of a summer 2007 religious ceremony held at Hohenzollern Castle - the traditional seat of the Prussian kings and emperors.

It features Germans dressed as Teutonic knights wielding a sword, a golden mace, and a chalice... and a voice track sung in Hebrew. Towards the end of the video, the Prussian flag melts into the Star of David.

Such material is new territory even for this website - which has acquired some notoriety for breaking ground. The video I am presenting here is unaltered, as it was originally created by its maker/s, except that I increased the contrast and color saturation levels.

This spring, along with the Talk To Action commenter known as "Ruth", I will air our evolving understanding of what this video represents. But, to make things suitably brief I'll say this: Christianity is changing.

That change has been described through the work of David Barrett - whose World Christian Trends AD 30 - AD 2200 should be a basic desk reference for all who purport to write, in a professional capacity, on religion and politics. Barrett was only the chief editor - there were many people involved in the project that produced World Christian Trends. The goal of the project was to produce good empirical data that could be used to further the Christian evangelizing of the world. Like a Bible, World Christian Trends is mammoth -  over 900 pages of onion-skin, triple spaced columns. It takes a magnifying glass to read.

The typologies of Christianity to be found in World Christian Trends strongly indicate this: Sarah Palin's Christianity 'has no connection to historic Christianity.' In other words, Palin's Christianity is very, very new. Indeed, it's off the map: as is, demonstrably, the form of Christianity practiced by Rick Warren and Ted Haggard.

As detailed in Barrett's World Christian Trends AD 30 - AD 2200, since the 1980's a new form of Christianity which, according to the book, has "no connection to historic Christianity" has come to encompass over 4% of the world's population" the Third Wave: 295 million Christians by AD 2000. Third Wave Christians seek to raise the dead and perform healing miracles, and they believe they must convert the whole world to Christianity, and 'perfect' the Christian church, in order to bring about the return of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is changing.

[for relevant background, also see Confronting The Storm Troopers Of Christ and, also Palin's Churches and the New Apostolic Reformation]




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Surprised they are not singing this old Crusader tune instead of the English-Hebrew mishmash with their whole Medieval motif in the video: Kristen juden und die heiden jehent daz dis ir erbe sī got müesse ez ze rehte scheiden dur die sīne namen drī al diu werlt diu strītet her wir sīn an der rehten ger. reht ist daz er uns gewer (According to Wikipedia this is translated as Christians, Jews and Heathens claim this to be their heritage. God has to assign it in the right way, for His three names. The whole world is coming battling here - our cause is right. It is right that He is granting it to us.)

by zowie on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:09:08 AM EST

they might want these guys as an opening act. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q5mlb3Bjzs

In all seriousness - a Teutonic identification with Israel has uncomfortable echoes of Christian Identity...

by MichaelWWilson on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 01:09:45 PM EST


This seems to me like just massive weirdness. The pseudo-medieval outfits, the jazzercise interlude, the gilt bowl full of dry ice...?

by nogodsnomasters on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 01:42:54 AM EST

Crusader EBM Industrial Techno- Heimataerde! <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ja1c-9auX7M&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ja1c-9auX7M&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

by zowie on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:54:04 AM EST

Is this some lame (or lamer) form of LARPing, or something more sinister?

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"I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair" - JFK, Address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association
by hardindr on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 11:22:04 AM EST
But the theology is a bit arcane - I'll get into in sometime this spring or early summer.

by Bruce Wilson on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:01:21 PM EST
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This group reminds me of several Germanic Volkisher groups that surfaced in the late 19th and early 20th century such as the Thule Society or the New Templars.
A very good examination of these groups and their impact on Germany can be found in
"The Occult Roots of Nazi Germany" by Dr. Nicholas Goodrick Clarke.

by Frank Frey on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:05:24 PM EST
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I'll look into it. Best, BruceW

by Bruce Wilson on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:59:03 PM EST
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Also recommended- Goodwin Clarke's book titled Black Sun- which I think is the sequel to the book mentioned above and also The Secret King : The Myth and Reality of Nazi Occultism by Stephen E. Flowers and Michael Moynihan. The Nazis were influenced by the Thule Society, Julius Evola, Helena Blavatsky (The Secret Doctrine and her concept of "root races"), and Galton (an early eugenics proponent- see Edwin Black's book The War Against The Weak for more on how the eugenics movement originated in the US and exported to Germany where it was fully implemented). I somehow simply think that this is a NAR offshoot adopting the imagery of knighthood kind of like the extreme Right Catholics that Frank Cocozzelli mentioned in his articles about Fidelis and Legatus and the emphasis on a Carlist (emphasis on the nobility and monarchy) trend within the extreme right wing of the Catholic Church. I don't really see any Nazi or occultish business in this, besides the religious right's infatuation with medieval and warrior motifs (then again, there is the song, "Onward Christian Soldiers" and also the scriptural passages in the New Testament saying a Christian's faith should be like his armor and sword- perhaps misinterpreted). The Salvation Army also is in this military imagery- and it is now becoming more NAR aligned (I read it here on Talk2action- I forgot the author who wrote about this)

by zowie on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 09:45:22 PM EST
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I wrote about the Salvation Army. Anyway, Julius Evola is very significant as is, of course, Blavatsky.

by Bruce Wilson on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 12:40:06 AM EST
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All in all, Nazi mythology and ideology is a hodgepodge combination of multiple influences, each influencing a different sphere of Nazi society, all designed to bewilder the people with a spectacle and make their hearts and mind stir for fascistic tendencies. The occult- Himmler and the SS Roman imagery- The standards (aquilae carried by the Wehrmacht) and the Fascist salute Positive Christianity- Everybody else Pseudoscientific Racism a la Galton and friends with a dash of a misinterpretation of Nietsche's Ubermensch- the Nazi Race laws Wolf imagery (as in Werwulf)- Hermann Lons's story written in 1910 (?) about rebels , Lons had nothing to do with Nazism

by zowie on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 03:26:40 AM EST
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I am definitely going to add The Secret King to my library. BTW, thanks also for referencing Black Sun. I don't know why I didn't...guess I'm getting old. BTW, Goodrick-Clarke wrote a third called Hitler's High Priestess which is also good.

by Frank Frey on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 09:41:43 PM EST
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Bringing back the chivalry and the coat of arms was tried and adopted to a limited extent till the Third Reich fell of its own tendencies. People like Wiligut and List were instrumental in the early formations of the mystic romantic roots of it even if Hitler didn't care for it as such and dumped it when it was of no use to him. Only Himmler really kept up with it using the SS as his new Knights Templar. The footage reminded me of some I saw of such a procession filmed in color in the early 1930's showing recreated Germanic holy knights with red swastikas as their symbol on white with chain mail on horses with others marching through showing the glories of history past to be again invoked for the future. Is this of the same ilk? We will have to see as time goes on if there is more than bringing back the bad old days in a romanticized way. Also "The Black Sun:Montauk and the Nazi-Tibetan Connection" by Peter Moon is especially weird but fun to read. How did Mark Hamill's family get involved in the Montauk Project and the original blue man Lem from Crowley with Nazi space saucers and mind control? Does Lovecraft actually have some influence in all this?

by Nightgaunt on Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 03:50:59 PM EST

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